The Obtaining of Knowledge

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17 Oct 2012 19:11 #77100 by
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So what evidence is there for the Force that can be interpreted?

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17 Oct 2012 19:28 - 17 Oct 2012 19:30 #77104 by
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Well, let me use an analogy:

Two men were on a plane, during the flight they engaged in a discussion about the influence of the spirit. One of the men claimed that he knew that he could feel the influence of the spirit and how it works, though the other man protested:

"You do not know, Nobody knows that!"

When the man attempted to use words such as spirit and witness the other man just responded:

"I don't know what you are talking about"

To which the man replied:

“Let me ask if you know what salt tastes like.”

“Of course I do,” was his reply.

“When did you taste salt last?”

“I just had dinner on the plane.”

“You just think you know what salt tastes like,” the man said.

He insisted, “I know what salt tastes like as well as I know anything.”

“If I gave you a cup of salt and a cup of sugar and let you taste them both, could you tell the salt from the sugar?”

“Now you are getting juvenile,” was his reply. “Of course I could tell the difference. I know what salt tastes like. It is an everyday experience—I know it as well as I know anything.”

“Then,” the man said, “assuming that I have never tasted salt, explain to me just what it tastes like.”

After some thought, he ventured, “Well-I-uh, it is not sweet and it is not sour.”

“You’ve told me what it isn’t, not what it is.”

And so it is with the Force, but you must understand, this is just my opinion. I am sure that others would tell you different.
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17 Oct 2012 19:35 #77108 by Jestor

SoulSeeker wrote: So what evidence is there for the Force that can be interpreted?


Now you are just trollin'....

Im stepping out at this point on this one....

On walk-about...

Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....


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17 Oct 2012 19:46 #77110 by
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... So you *don't* have evidence for the Force that can be interpreted?

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17 Oct 2012 19:58 #77113 by
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I believe that I do.

Regardless, I have to agree with Jestor, you are definitely Trollin'

I think I am done. As the saying goes, 'you cannot reason with a headless man'.

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17 Oct 2012 20:20 #77118 by Jestor

Sheuthem wrote: I believe that I do.

Regardless, I have to agree with Jestor, you are definitely Trollin'

I think I am done. As the saying goes, 'you cannot reason with a headless man'.


Or the Horseless Headsman....




Need a Snickers?

Just playing with you!

On walk-about...

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Jedi ain't Saints....


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17 Oct 2012 22:01 #77133 by
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It depends a lot on what 'The Force' is to you

To me it does not require 'evidence' and it is technically not a 'belief', it is a perspective and a view of the world. Not a statement of what the world is, but a statement of the way I think about it

I therefore have no evidence that I can possibly provide or use as proof to someone else

I have my experience, and maybe I can try and give someone that same experience :)

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17 Oct 2012 22:46 #77137 by Alethea Thompson
For me? Well, you must first understand that I view "the Force" in the scientific. So any evidence you can find supporting E=MC(squared) is my evidence.

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17 Oct 2012 23:27 #77142 by
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Alethea Thompson wrote: For me? Well, you must first understand that I view "the Force" in the scientific. So any evidence you can find supporting E=MC(squared) is my evidence.

I know this is going to sound trollish or semantic of me, but it is important nonetheless:

E=mc^2 relates Energy to mass and the speed of light in a vacuum.

BUT: how do you define light, energy, and mass? How do you define "matter", a related term?

When we really examine the assertions of science closely, they break down into basic assumptions, the roots of which are not really understood. Like magnetism. We know what it does and how it works (mostly), but what IS it, really?

Relying on science is not the best way to gain knowledge of the Force, although it is the safest way.

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17 Oct 2012 23:59 #77144 by
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What I believe comes by the experience of reality according to a spiritually logical thought process.

If you understand that then you know what I mean.
If you don't then there is no way I can explain it.

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