The Obtaining of Knowledge

where is the evidence of god, allah, yahwey?...evidence is where you find it...for most religions it's found in the individual's "faith"...

for me i define the force as "energy"....and evidence of that is everywhere...bioelectricity, biochemistry, heat energy, light energy, etc.....

mitochondria reside within each and every cell...the amount of mitochondria a person has is determined matraiarchially...without mitochondria life would not exist...we provide fuel for the mitochondria and they provide energy to us...

So, what you're saying RyuJin, is that there's as much evidence for the Force as for a religious god?

I think we need to be careful when we speak of evidence (admittedly, this is just my personal opinion) because people view 'evidence' differently.

For example, Once upon a time two explorers came upon a clearing in the jungle. In the clearing were growing many flowers and many weeds. One explorer says, ‘Some gardener must tend this plot.’ The other disagrees, ‘There is no gardener.’

I think that Jestor and Akkarin may have brushed over the crux of the issue. All we have is our experiences and how we interpret them. I believe that so called 'evidence' can be terribly subjective and tends to lean towards our own personal bias. Therefore, when I ask if Philosophy, and Religion for that matter, is self limiting, what I am really asking is, is our own knowledge limited? is there a cap on all that we, as human beings, can possibly know? In this case, is our understanding of the Force dependent upon our own interpretation, or can it be fully realised and understood?

Okay, right. ... So... there *is* no evidence for the Force?

SoulSeeker wrote: Okay, right. ... So... there *is* no evidence for the Force?

No more that you exist for me, for you could be a level of my subconscious doing a reality check...

is there a cap on all that we, as human beings, can possibly know?

You will have to ask the last human...

http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Philosophy/71714-The-Last-Question

SoulSeeker wrote:

Okay, right. ... So... there *is* no evidence for the Force?

Now, I never said that.

Personally, I believe that there is evidence for the Force, though it is certainly dependent on how I, as an individual, interpret it.

For example, I could interpret it as being a gift from a divine source, a god or all-powerful being. Or I could simply regard it as a natural phenomenon. Either way, I feel its influence and see how it works - the evidence.

Jestor wrote:

You will have to ask the last human...

www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Philo...14-The-Last-Question

Thanks for that Jestor, most appreciated. Isaac Asimov is a literary genius. I am reading through his Foundation series at the moment. Have you read the Relativity of Wrong?: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1Dt3LK/hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html

Sheuthem wrote: SoulSeeker wrote:

Okay, right. ... So... there *is* no evidence for the Force?

Now, I never said that.

Personally, I believe that there is evidence for the Force, though it is certainly dependent on how I, as an individual, interpret it.

For example, I could interpret it as being a gift from a divine source, a god or all-powerful being. Or I could simply regard it as a natural phenomenon. Either way, I feel its influence and see how it works - the evidence.

Oh...
So, this can be scientifically verified, right?

SoulSeeker wrote:

Sheuthem wrote: SoulSeeker wrote:

Okay, right. ... So... there *is* no evidence for the Force?

Now, I never said that.

Personally, I believe that there is evidence for the Force, though it is certainly dependent on how I, as an individual, interpret it.

For example, I could interpret it as being a gift from a divine source, a god or all-powerful being. Or I could simply regard it as a natural phenomenon. Either way, I feel its influence and see how it works - the evidence.

Oh...
So, this can be scientifically verified, right?

I think he said this earlier...

Sheuthem wrote: I think we need to be careful when we speak of evidence (admittedly, this is just my personal opinion) because people view 'evidence' differently.

It doesnt provide evidence to me.... What you quoted, that is, but it does for him...

But, I havent seen a germ, or a man actually walk on the moon...

Im just trusting in the information I have been provided...

SoulSeeker wrote:

Oh...
So, this can be scientifically verified, right?

Can everything be scientifically verified? Infact, should everything be scientifically verified?

With regards to the Force, I think that it depends on how you interpret it. But again, that is merely my own subjective opinion.