www.templeofthejediorder.com

MKF I am amazed at your \"snow blindness\", I am not blinded by the creeds of any doctrine. I am first and foremost for this order a webmaster and programmer trouble shooter and technical advisor. Secondly I did build this, with the help of many others and that is why it is so cool. We were doing just fine before we put up the archives which JHP rightfully felt inclined to do. That were posted in the NAME of this order and DO LEGALLY belong here at this it's originating domain.

You need to check yourself in your misconstrued jedi beliefs, do you think it is right to take away from a man what is and was legally and rightfully his?

JHP IS THE FOUNDER, and creator of this order. Members to forums come and go.

You can not steal what you create. What I said, I meant.... so please re-read it and try to see the positive advice I gave and make plans accordingly. :sick:

Maybe, if I put it into this light everyone will begin to understand me better. I am NOT out to hurt anyone. I have been on my own path for many years and that is why I am following a Dzogchen method as it blends with my beliefs and resonates in my core. I am not angry I am logical, I am not a follower of Ghandi and so I don't really believe in letting others bash me without response.

The facts are the facts, and sadly a court of law will see beyond all the hooey, and whining.

Ya know, John chose to have an admin (me) that wasn't already involved in all this mess.

I can see why, Here he knows and most of all WE know NO-ONE can use his ID for their own purposes here.

He may have his problems and I am sure he does. Many of you mis-interpret my actions as a loyalty to the man, called Br. John but, that is not actually the case....

My loyalties lie in my work ethic, this site is one of my works, and unfortunately it is the only one that draws people to wage smears against my reputation.

I have sites that represent politicians, historical locations, advertising and production agencies, IT companies and even a nationally re-knowned traditional / commercial artist.

Don't get me wrong I feel a great affinity toward the meaning of this site and the challenge that it represents, that is why I do it for .50 cents a day. :laugh:

I just think everyone should get a grip---- reality will always rear it's ugly head to remind us of this misery laden with sprinklings of joy to keep us all interested, thing we share called life.

Logic states that

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give up the .com and all this will go away. The ball rests solely in the court of Todd. So please take your damnations, slurs and threats to him, not me. :S

Jidun...sometimes you get a little angry...LOL...I wouldn't like you if you didn't...besides as a fellow strings player you know it's in the DNA... (Cellist here).

Once I saw you played violin...LOL...it all became clear... (I thought you had an electric violin at first...and that's a different breed...)

I think a lot of good has come out of this interraction. Well - I have gained much from becoming a member. I like the diversity between the two groups...even if I'm not wild about the Catholic labels...

Todd - you know - has been put through a lot. It was HE who had to change a lot over.... John just left, and he did leave with $500 to help start this temple. (And it wasn't for this temple...as happy as I am now that you all had it.)

Good comes from bad when good people are involved.

This is all going to turn out well... It is just a URL that's a fact, but I think we should get Kosher within our own orders with our own URLs...

(Even though now I feel pretty much a member of both ... TOTJF has had it the hardest...this I do know.)

Todd is a good guy, Br. John is Wild...LOL....in a good way...usually. He knows I like him very much and he can do things because he is the way he is that...most just can't...

So let's chill? I'll talk to Todd again, and cut him some slack? He's a good guy and will do the right thing.

But I'll say again...I think a lot of good came out of the bad, and I'm not sure it could have happened any other way?

-Asta Sophi

Really I think the main reason people are so angry over the whole issue, especially the members of the TOTJF is because the threats have been to shut down the TOTJF entirely, rather than settling this man to man conflict man to man. And that compounds the issue, because the membership of the TOTJF feel threatened constantly over whatever it is Br. JHP is threatening to have us shut down over at the moment (Yes, it's been more than just the URL). Then, the membership here gets agitated at having to hear about it, either because they aren't involved and don't wish to be, or those few that only look at one side of the story, so that further flares tempers. Personally, I, and many of the Jedi from the TOTJF have nothing against the membership here... which is why we visit the chat, and some of us post in the forums constructively, etc. 99% of the anger from the membership on both sides would be quelled instantly if the constant threat of shutting down our entire site and punishing our entire membership was eliminated. As I tried to say in one of my previous posts, the conflict is between the two men, and I humbly request that it remain that way... The entireity of the TOTJF Order shouldn't have to suffer over something it doesn't have any control of. None of our members, save for Todd, have anything to do with the url.

Many of us want unity. Many of us really are working toward that end... but it's hard to do when there are constant threats and occasional outright harrassment from JHP. Not from the TOTJO. I want to make that clear... I don't hold the whole of the TOTJO responsible for this conflict. John should have his URL... he should pay for it, since it's not free, but he should have it. But by the same token, he should also stand by his word and honor, which he hasn't done very much of in the past, which is likely why Todd doesn't feel like giving in this time around... I can't say for sure, that's just my personal observation. But looking at both sides, I really don't care how it's resolved, so long as both sites are allowed to function, and we can all get on with being Jedi and promoting out way of life.

~Master Kyp

Ordo wrote:

Really I think the main reason people are so angry over the whole issue, especially the members of the TOTJF is because the threats have been to shut down the TOTJF entirely, rather than settling this man to man conflict man to man. And that compounds the issue, because the membership of the TOTJF feel threatened constantly over whatever it is Br. JHP is threatening to have us shut down over at the moment (Yes, it's been more than just the URL). Then, the membership here gets agitated at having to hear about it, either because they aren't involved and don't wish to be, or those few that only look at one side of the story, so that further flares tempers. Personally, I, and many of the Jedi from the TOTJF have nothing against the membership here... which is why we visit the chat, and some of us post in the forums constructively, etc. 99% of the anger from the membership on both sides would be quelled instantly if the constant threat of shutting down our entire site and punishing our entire membership was eliminated. As I tried to say in one of my previous posts, the conflict is between the two men, and I humbly request that it remain that way... The entireity of the TOTJF Order shouldn't have to suffer over something it doesn't have any control of. None of our members, save for Todd, have anything to do with the url.

Many of us want unity. Many of us really are working toward that end... but it's hard to do when there are constant threats and occasional outright harrassment from JHP. Not from the TOTJO. I want to make that clear... I don't hold the whole of the TOTJO responsible for this conflict. John should have his URL... he should pay for it, since it's not free, but he should have it. But by the same token, he should also stand by his word and honor, which he hasn't done very much of in the past, which is likely why Todd doesn't feel like giving in this time around... I can't say for sure, that's just my personal observation. But looking at both sides, I really don't care how it's resolved, so long as both sites are allowed to function, and we can all get on with being Jedi and promoting out way of life.

~Master Kyp

I've offered to pay for it...

Needless to say y'all, what were looking for here is your support. We aren't against you and I'm going to be so bold as to say you will not be threatened in any way any longer. If you are then send that person to me.

What I am asking for is your support in gaining that URL from Todd. I know you have no control but that doesn't mean to can't join in the plea. If he has to feel all powerful and have us at his feet before he will let us buy it from him then I say we start bowing. If that's all it takes then let him have it.

Please, assist us in our plea with Todd and I don't think anything other than Peace, maybe even friendship can be a possibility

I gave my opinion. I think the URL should be here. I've asked Todd about it. It's in his court... I can't really show more support than I already have, IMO.

And there you have it. The only answer, shut down our whole site... yeah, I suppose that's fair to punish all of our members over a dispute between two men.

Though I can't say I didn't see it coming. The inevitable answer was, in the end, shutting down the TOTJF site. The ends, gentlemen... the goal. Now... it isn't shut down yet, but the track record shows that the beligerence is going to continue until our site is shut down. I'm sorry for ranting in a way... it's not the membership's fault here, just like the URL isn't the TOTJF membership's fault. I implore you to reason with Br. John and persuade him to take this issue up with Todd alone rather than the threat to shut our site down... please.

~Master Kyp

I forgot to add one thing, for Twosoundsoff. It's hard to be supportive when there's the constant threat of John shutting down our entire site! However, we *HAVE* asked Todd to release the URL. So support or no support, it doesn't matter. Our entire group is to be punished for something we have no control over, and are not responsible for in the first place. Not by the TOTJO... but by JHP. Once again, I pleasd for reason in this.

Ordo wrote:

I forgot to add one thing, for Twosoundsoff. It's hard to be supportive when there's the constant threat of John shutting down our entire site! However, we *HAVE* asked Todd to release the URL. So support or no support, it doesn't matter. Our entire group is to be punished for something we have no control over, and are not responsible for in the first place. Not by the TOTJO... but by JHP. Once again, I pleasd for reason in this.

I don't care how hard it is...if it is the right thing to do then you do it. I'm doing all I can for you...wouldn't it be nice if that feeling were reciprocated. Br. John will tell you himself, I've been buzzing in his ear all afternoon and night so far about it and I'm not gonna quit. But I certainly wouldn't expect ... God Bless.

Well, that was my point. Though it's been hard, we *have* done our part.

As far as \"if it's the right thing to do, you do it\", I agree. And allowing an entire site to be punished over this conflict that it has no control over isn't the right thing, brother.

~Master Kyp