www.templeofthejediorder.com

I have not heard of any decision made from TOTJF's council meeting last night as of yet. As soon as I hear something, I will let you know.

Well I have to be frank with you guys. Maybe I'm missing something here but I just don't see what the issue is over all of this. If Todd and John want to duke it out over a .com then I really don't see why it should effect the day to day activities of a site or cause any negative feelings at all in anyone besides Todd and John. Really templeofthejediorder.com is not in use by either of us so really it's about Todd holding out on John. I can encourage Todd to step up in the name of peace, but that has been done before and we still seem to be in the same place. So after he gives up the .com what next? Even though he has reneged on certain things he has also complied with others. Like I said, it just seems like a Todd and John issue and should not involve the membership of either order. I like all of you and don't care if you get a .com from him or not, your still my friends either way. At the end of the day the url does belong to the person that pays for it, and that's Todd. So with that I ask you, is it really worth all the bad blood between us over something we have little control over anyway? I can tell you to me it's not. And if Todd decides to use that url for TOTJF after all of this I'll step down from the council and away from the site, on that you have my word. Attachment leads to suffering, and that's something that I've seen too much of in both orders as of late.

Master Merrin on behalf of The Order to you and your's - we are so sorry for your loss.

Tell me what you want your forum(s) named and you can start the Zen lectures and I might pop in as a guest from time to time. From your PM I understand that you accept the position we discussed?

You'll be the only person on both 'council's'.

I can't stand the wasted duplicated efforts on matters that both TOTJO and TOTJF agree upon.

What if there were a neutral zone site for training only; just like an online college? What if it were a joint venture and we used a different site format than TOTJF and TOTJO?

Why do almost all the people who ask for training not read the readings and not do the lessons? Why do they think we can make them Masters of Jediism as easy as issuing a ministers license?

Please post instructions for the transfer of:

TEMPLEOFTHEJEDIFORCE.NET
TEMPLEOFTHEJEDIFORCE.INFO

as we are giving them to you or your agent for the benefit of TOTJF. Then you'll have the Big 3 and the info all locked up.

I'm giving them to TOTJF anyway.

MTFBWY - Blessed Be,

John, Servant of The Servants' of The Order

Merin, I too agree that it does seem useless. Aside from the problem brought up a couple of days ago of someone else using it for some illegal means or to degrade the reputation of the organization on a .org or .anythingelse. For reasons such as these, I can definately understand wanting, almost needing a URL to prevent something of this nature. I don't believe (I could be wrong) that there is any bad blood or atleast not anymore between the members of the two sites. All pointed comments and such have been requested to be moved to PM's and for the most part what I have seen, that has been done and working well. From what I've noticed this thread now seems to be more of an update to the members than a thread to throw allegations and the like toward one temple or the other, though it didn't start that way.

After reading Br. Johns newest post, I truly hope that his generosity does not get trampled again, but I'm prepared for the worst. John, you may even be too trusting, but atleast your working at a peacefull solution. Besides, what use would we have for those URLs?

I am a little concerned about this \"council\" talk, concidering we don't have a council, unless one has been set up in secret that I have yet to uncover. I think our system is working well and that we shouldn't mess with it, but this is the topic more of another thread than this one.

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

Merin, I too agree that it does seem useless. Aside from the problem brought up a couple of days ago of someone else using it for some illegal means or to degrade the reputation of the organization on a .org or .anythingelse. For reasons such as these, I can definately understand wanting, almost needing a URL to prevent something of this nature. I don't believe (I could be wrong) that there is any bad blood or atleast not anymore between the members of the two sites. All pointed comments and such have been requested to be moved to PM's and for the most part what I have seen, that has been done and working well. From what I've noticed this thread now seems to be more of an update to the members than a thread to throw allegations and the like toward one temple or the other, though it didn't start that way.

After reading Br. Johns newest post, I truly hope that his generosity does not get trampled again, but I'm prepared for the worst. John, you may even be too trusting, but atleast your working at a peacefull solution. Besides, what use would we have for those URLs?

I am a little concerned about this \"council\" talk, concidering we don't have a council, unless one has been set up in secret that I have yet to uncover. I think our system is working well and that we shouldn't mess with it, but this is the topic more of another thread than this one.

We have no Council but we have counsel and we listen. If a member should have an issue the college of bishops would be our supreme court, This has never happened.

How would you describe our system?

MTFBWY,

Br. John+

Hmm, thats a good question, I guess I've never reallyl thought about a description because we've never really needed one. I'd say its about as close to democracy as I've seen. Though the longer we go the less it gets that way. The concept works good thus far, and I'd say since we are \"all on the council\" being (regular members and clergy) it is like a game of timed chess. Where as we usually only get a certain time limit for people to vote in, if you don't get you vote or comments to attempt to change other peoples votes in that time your \"a$$ed out\" as they say. And the sooner you do get your comments or suggestions in, the more peoples votes you can potentially influence. Its almost like an election really, only they aren't so much voting on the member, just that members suggestions on the idea/problem at hand. I guess what I'm saying is I don't know how to describe it, it just seems to work better than I've seen other places. I know I wouldn't describe it as a council. I wouldn't concider the \"college of bishops\" the supreme court either, they are meant to handle matters of clergy and such, not be a judge/jury. If anything I would say a collective group of masters (whether clergy or not) would be more appropriate, seeing how matters they would likely handle would not have much to do with clergy matters. Though clergy matters wouldn't have to be excluded either, most clergy matters could be taken care of by the college of bishops such as un-licensing or something of that nature. Of course these are all only my opinions, so I do not speak for everyone. Those matters would have to be voted on I would think. Everyone have a nice day.

The Council that was mentioned was, I think, the TOTJF Council... That being said, we (TOTJF) Council have no control over the URL, Nor does the membership. It's owned by Todd, not the TOTJF... this URL conflict is between Brothers John and Todd alone. I too want this conflict to cease, but not just the URL conflict. All of it... it's time to put the past behind us and move on. We cannot become pawns in a personal conflict between two individuals.

Now, my personal view, as merely a Jedi, not an official representative of the TOTJF... *Takes off the Council hat for a moment*

This issue runs much deeper than just a URL. There are many things that are a part of it... many people on both sides that have been drawn into it. It doesn't matter how many people take sides in the issue, or how many people get angry, or yell, etc. Until Todd decides to turn over the URL(Which was paid for, not \"stolen\"), it won't matter who tries to get him to turn loose of it, even if the TOTJF Council as a whole decided to get involved in the personal conflict. Now... I know of the offer of trading URLS. Either way, the URL was paid for, and even if/when Todd would decide to let go of it, he would rightfully be expected to be compensated for it. I might also point out that there are other TOTJO URLS that are owned by other members of the Jedi Community... KC Avalon for example. Now, from my personal point of view, if *one* URL related to the TOTJO is so important to start a personal war over, the others should be treated with the same respect... otherwise, well, one may draw the conclusion that this particular case isn't so much about the URL as it is about Brothers John and Todd personally. Now, I'm not saying this to start a fight, just to point out an observation.

On a further note, I also hope Todd doesn't use the URL for nefarious purposes, because that would be spite. But on the same token, I would like to see the harrassment of the TOTJF stop as well. It's been a never-ending cycle of good faith, and then harrassment. Promises of peace, then declarations of anger. The cycle hasn't ended yet... though I hope it does soon. The Jedi way is much greater than one all-encompassing, never-ending conflict between Br. John and and Br. Todd... or Br. John and the TOTJF. It needs to cease, really. We, as Jedi... all of us who take this way of life seriously, and walk the path... we all have the same common interest. The same common goals. Some of us take different paths to get there, but in the end we are all striving for the same things, are we not? Peace, hope, fellowship, unity, love, the betterment of humanity, a beacon of Light in the darkness? I have come to respect many of the members of the TOTJO, just as I respect the members of the TOTJF of which I am one voice of the body known as the Council. One part of the guiding hand that steers the Order toward that same common goal. Let's leave this matter of Br. John and Br. Todd between the two men, and ourselves move forward in fellowship as Jedi.

~Master Kyp

I thought the matter had already reached a superlative of discussion, and that if there are any more comments they should be versed personally to Br.John. The membership here has already suffered enough under this hyperbole.

That was more or less part of the intent behind my post... I'm sorry if my speaking grates on people.

We also have lost people because of this!!!!!