www.templeofthejediorder.com

I wasn't being sarcastic... I was being serious. TOTJO.com should logically hold the same importance of templeofthejediforce.com. I would also think that TOTJO.org would be included as well. If not, would you please explain to me why one is important and the others aren't?


As far as pressuring Todd into handing over the URL, that's out of the Council's hands. We've made suggestions, but in the end, that decision is his alone.

Ordo wrote:

Well, as I said... that's a Todd and John thing. The TOTJF has absolutely no control or bearing on that URL. Though I trust you will also be pressing a lawsuit on KC Avalon for www.TOTJO.com as well? It is, after all, a .com of the TOTJO's registered name.

I am no lawyer but, I have experience in internet and trade name case studies, the acronym totjo can stand for anything and as long as it is not used for \"temple of the jediorder\" then there'll be no grounds for an infringement suit. I mean it could stand for.... Todd's Only Troubling John's Orifice, for that matter. :woohoo: And Brother John knows that so the name really has no power for KC Avalon as an independent acquisition. The real bottom line is templeofthejediorder.com legally belongs to our temple and can be taken through legal action and if Todd would rather his site be taken down and all the people there suffer then that is his perogative. :whistle: Todd and John both are bringing much negative karma into their lives by stressing each other and not letting go. I would also be tempted to put myself through the same if I were battling for my top level domain as Br. John is. It is not for the ---- short-sighted who gives a shit about it --- individuals to decide Br. John has to think in a corporate time scale as this temple will out live him and all of us and these pathetic squabbles will be a blackeye on the birth of a new way of faith shame. shame. shame.

I have read some of the \"other\" post on TOTJF made by Br John. It saddened me. When I agreed to be the ambassador to TOTJF, it was not meant to be the pawn or go between for this personal conflict. It was to improve relations between our two orders. I only relayed the last message because I, like most, am tired of this mess. I want it to be over as much, if not more than most. If TOTJF site goes down and it's members are made to suffer because of a conflict between two men, two men that claim to be Jedi, I personally will step down from any position I hold, because I want no part of it. How can I hold a position amongst this order, teach one thing, and watch it trampled on by other members? Answer is, I can't. I will go back to being just a normal member trying to help other members here for the greater good. I will say, from now on, if it is not something constructive that needs to be shared with TOTJF, I WILL NOT relay it. The originator of the post/comment/PM/blog or whatever can do it. This has gone on long enough. We all know the code, creed, and basic teachings. Nowhere does it say we are to treat fellow Jedi like this. When I first found this site, I was all kinds of excited because I found others with my same beliefs. It was awesome! Now, there is an ever present grey cloud looming over the spirit here. It makes me second guess myself, and I do not like doing that. May the Force be with you all.

I can sympathize with you Rev. Justice. You should also know that Br Johns Identity has been compromised on the TOTJF site. I don't even look over there much less post.

Where do the legally ordained jedi minister licenses come from? Our temple. As it is truly a temple and NOT merely a forum only.

One can stand wherever he wishes whenever he likes but, he must realize and be ready for the environment he chooses to step into.

Anger and ultimatums rarely turn out well. I say, we all say screw it. If Br John's hand is forced by Todd..... and he shuts them down they can all gather at some other jedi forum if they don't like this one, there are plenty of other jedi forums out there albeit they are mostly free-hosted forum sites but they can still do their teachings wherever instead of being cry babies and blaming us and Br. John for Todd's actions. If you ask me they'd be smart to move on beforehand and acquire a location that they can try to make work as well as we have. I mean honestly, all they have to do is get their padawan's email addresses and the master's get together and jump ship before it sinks.

jidun, I have to say that yours is the most un-Jedilike attitude I have ever seen.

You have no compassion for any of the people that call our place home. You apparently are under some strange assumption that John is being forced to do anything. Yet few here can seem to have a logical discussion about anything without whipping out your attitudes and carrying on more threats and talk of shutting us down.

Where is the Jedi in any of this? You confess that you don't read, much less post on our site, so how is it that you feel justified in taking any stand against us? That's kinda off-base to start with.

Justice, you are welcome to commune with us. We don't do this. And shame on anyone that sits back and participates in this belligerence. It's unspeakable and just plain wrong. All this CRAP over a website. Over a URL. And many of you call yourself Jedi. You shame the very word.

Now I see why you have no Council. That would mean that arbitrary power could not be held, and that perhaps some compassion and logic would squeeze forth. Your own members and seniors tell you that this is BS, and yet you ignore them, as well. I see things are \"business as usual\" for JHP.

You should come read and post with us. You might learn what it means to *be* Jedi, instead of just wear the name...I am done being nice about this, you are just plain RUDE and that is NOT our way...You skulk in the ruins if what was STOLEN from us, and dare wave it in our faces like some kind of trophy...I wish there were a Field of Honor to call you to...

\"Br John's identity has been compromised\"...what a joke, as if his lewd, profane, and just plain sick behavior wasn't and isn't easily recognizable...But WAIT...isn't that...conspiracy? Wait, I think we have a lawsuit! I am gonna file a case in court to take your site down...Many of you people are just starting to see the side of JHP that we all have known for a LONG TIME...

Enjoy him...he's all yours...hope he gets sent up for practicing without a license this time...Next time, get to know the person that you follow so blindly...he might just get you burned...I intend to take up this matter in any lawsuit that arises...I only WISH that JHP would DARE implicate me, after all, I was on the Board of Directors at one time....

I would LOVE to have Lucas' attorneys subpeona'd to this little charade...maybe a little time in jail would clear his mind...

Anger and ultimatums rarely turn out well. Odd, that seems to be all we ever get from you and your malevolent \"leader\".



Kettle...this is Pot...



dude...you make my point for me over and over. I just hope that your membership is intelligent enough to finally SEE what has been right under their noses the whole time. Where DO you think this site of yours CAME FROM? Do you HONESTLY mean to tell me that you think the Omnipotent JHP came up with this all by his little lonesome?

Ever hear of these people?

Neaj Pa Bol
Merin Kyo-Den
Jyn Osiris
Jax Secura
Jim Thompson
Octagon
Kyp Durron
Keyan Flamecloud
Rachat et Espoir
KoBas Zhimo
Chappo DaBlack
Hippie
Bri Yinn Judd
Delilah
Nassik Dabak
Terrion
Scythe
S. Michael Kelley
Samweiz


THESE were the people who *built* what you now dishonor. THESE were the *builders* of what you now claim as your own. THESE are the people that GAVE you the ABILITY to be here and act the way you do. You have *built*, NOTHING...You stand on grounds that others built with THEIR labor and time.THESE people are the FOUNDERS of what you have here. And yet you feel justified.

That is, of course, until JHP got tired of the Seated Council of Masters not wanting to let him run amuck and abuse people at will, make lewd comments to children, display general nonsense, cause hate and discontent among people for personal pleasure, etc. You all know him SO WELL, don't you? He is a common troll, no more. An internet thug that has no life, and enjoys tormenting others for his own sick personal gain.

You speak of peace, but do not offer it. Refer to the Code. Do you know the Code, jidun? That is what a Jedi would do. If not...take off the robes...you do them no justice...and Jediism is not your toy to command. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be.

KF

Perhaps this will put things into perspective for you:

The Jedi Creed
I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace.
Where there is hatred I shall bring love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.
I am a Jedi.
I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
The Force is always with me, for I am a Jedi.

Three primary tenents of Jediism
Focus
Knowledge
Wisdom

The Vow of Contemplation: A Jedi must possess a clear mind and approach life and situations from an objective perspective. Emotion, while not bad, can influence the perceptions and judgment of a Jedi and care must be taken to insure that the position of the Jedi is unbiased. To this end meditation is a highly recommended practice that can both clear the mind as well as teaching patience. Meditation is a key in the life of the Jedi and it affords the Jedi the opportunity to commune with the Force and leads them to a greater self-understanding.

The Vow of Defense: A Jedi is sworn to defense: the defense of themselves, of others, and of ideals. A Jedi is not born to suffer or to sit idly by when others are threatened. The mandate of the Jedi is to defend those that can not defend themselves and to protect the sanctity of life even, if necessary, at the expense of their own.

The Vow of Possession: Possession is not forbidden to the Jedi and neither is it discouraged. A Jedi must guard against greed and avarice, however. Ownership of things such as a home, clothing, food, and even the luxuries and conveniences of life is encouraged among the Jedi and possession grounds the Jedi in physical reality.


Thought this might help you think about some things. This is the way of Jedi. It helps to know it if you presume to pracitce it. I will be happy to come and teach a class on this if anyone is interested...

For all those reading all of this just remember

“Living is strife and torment, disappointment and love and sacrifice, golden sunsets and black storms. I said that some time ago, and today I do not think I would add one word.”
-Sir Laurence Olivier

All religions have their wars Buddhism (the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden), Christianity and its schisms, Islam and its groups...so do we.

Remember we are Jedi and our Doctrine says:

\"10. Jedi believe in destiny and trust in the will of the Force. We accept the fact that what seems to be random events are not random at all, but the design of the Force. Each living creature has a purpose, understanding that purpose comes with a deep awareness of the Force. Even things that happen which seem negative have a purpose, though that purpose is not easy to see.\"

We have to rise above these postings and strive for a greater good.

Rev. Justice wrote:

I have read some of the \"other\" post on TOTJF made by Br John. It saddened me. When I agreed to be the ambassador to TOTJF, it was not meant to be the pawn or go between for this personal conflict. It was to improve relations between our two orders. I only relayed the last message because I, like most, am tired of this mess. I want it to be over as much, if not more than most. If TOTJF site goes down and it's members are made to suffer because of a conflict between two men, two men that claim to be Jedi, I personally will step down from any position I hold, because I want no part of it. How can I hold a position amongst this order, teach one thing, and watch it trampled on by other members? Answer is, I can't. I will go back to being just a normal member trying to help other members here for the greater good. I will say, from now on, if it is not something constructive that needs to be shared with TOTJF, I WILL NOT relay it. The originator of the post/comment/PM/blog or whatever can do it. This has gone on long enough. We all know the code, creed, and basic teachings. Nowhere does it say we are to treat fellow Jedi like this. When I first found this site, I was all kinds of excited because I found others with my same beliefs. It was awesome! Now, there is an ever present grey cloud looming over the spirit here. It makes me second guess myself, and I do not like doing that. May the Force be with you all.

I can understand your feelings, and I don`t think anyone would expect you to do anything against your consciense. But please don`t forget you are our (all 400 of us) ambassador. We all need you, and if you don`t what then? Who then are the loosers?

“The real duties of an ambassador are to enter into or follow negotiations between his own government and that of the country to which he is accredited.”
-David Bruce quotes

MasterKeyanFlamecloud wrote:

jidun, I have to say that yours is the most un-Jedilike attitude I have ever seen.

You have no compassion for any of the people that call our place home. You apparently are under some strange assumption that John is being forced to do anything. Yet few here can seem to have a logical discussion about anything without whipping out your attitudes and carrying on more threats and talk of shutting us down.

Where is the Jedi in any of this? You confess that you don't read, much less post on our site, so how is it that you feel justified in taking any stand against us? That's kinda off-base to start with.

Justice, you are welcome to commune with us. We don't do this. And shame on anyone that sits back and participates in this belligerence. It's unspeakable and just plain wrong. All this CRAP over a website. Over a URL. And many of you call yourself Jedi. You shame the very word.

Now I see why you have no Council. That would mean that arbitrary power could not be held, and that perhaps some compassion and logic would squeeze forth. Your own members and seniors tell you that this is BS, and yet you ignore them, as well. I see things are \"business as usual\" for JHP.

You should come read and post with us. You might learn what it means to *be* Jedi, instead of just wear the name...I am done being nice about this, you are just plain RUDE and that is NOT our way...You skulk in the ruins if what was STOLEN from us, and dare wave it in our faces like some kind of trophy...I wish there were a Field of Honor to call you to...

\"Br John's identity has been compromised\"...what a joke, as if his lewd, profane, and just plain sick behavior wasn't and isn't easily recognizable...But WAIT...isn't that...conspiracy? Wait, I think we have a lawsuit! I am gonna file a case in court to take your site down...Many of you people are just starting to see the side of JHP that we all have known for a LONG TIME...

Enjoy him...he's all yours...hope he gets sent up for practicing without a license this time...Next time, get to know the person that you follow so blindly...he might just get you burned...I intend to take up this matter in any lawsuit that arises...I only WISH that JHP would DARE implicate me, after all, I was on the Board of Directors at one time....

I would LOVE to have Lucas' attorneys subpeona'd to this little charade...maybe a little time in jail would clear his mind...

You write for the ages; the ages between six and eight. Please show yourself out. I'm sure you know the way.

JHP