Views on cracked/pirated software

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05 Sep 2017 14:47 - 05 Sep 2017 14:49 #300644 by
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Is there REALLY a piece of software that you will literally die without? No. So shut up and go earn money to pay for it like you're supposed to. Anything that needs explanation on this level bothers you enough that you shouldn't do it. So quit it.

Here's what I don't get: look at the thing you want. Is having that thing worth whatever you'll trade for it (in this case, your integrity)? Wouldn't having your integrity be more worth it in the end?

Come on, Jedi. Live your code. I'm practically begging you. Make me believe in you.
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05 Sep 2017 15:02 - 05 Sep 2017 15:02 #300646 by Kobos
Someone made the full version of this product with the expectation to be paid for it. By not paying for it you are dropping several things, that direct programmers earning power, the company's ability to put more into development and really as Snowy points out if you have a question on the morality of it then you are dropping your morals to justify using it.

That said I am a human, I have pirated software previously, though honestly, now a days, I would rather pay for a full version that won't require me to de-bug it........and because IMHO it is the right thing to do.

Just my 2 cents.

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05 Sep 2017 22:55 - 05 Sep 2017 22:57 #300701 by
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Is there REALLY a piece of software that you will literally die without? No. So shut up and go earn money to pay for it like you're supposed to. Anything that needs explanation on this level bothers you enough that you shouldn't do it. So quit it.

Here's what I don't get: look at the thing you want. Is having that thing worth whatever you'll trade for it (in this case, your integrity)? Wouldn't having your integrity be more worth it in the end?

Come on, Jedi. Live your code. I'm practically begging you. Make me believe in you


Just to make sure I'm not trying to justify that using pirated software is the right thing nor am I in possession of any pirated material.

Is there a piece of software that I will die without ? Yes, an IDE :laugh: , and it costs me $24.90 dollars a month that I have no problem in paying since it's literally one of the best pieces of software I've ever seen.

And should it be made free one day I will donate them $24 a month just because I think it's amazing :woohoo:
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06 Sep 2017 17:43 #300753 by ren

Snowy Aftermath wrote: Is there REALLY a piece of software that you will literally die without? No. So shut up and go earn money to pay for it like you're supposed to. Anything that needs explanation on this level bothers you enough that you shouldn't do it. So quit it.

Here's what I don't get: look at the thing you want. Is having that thing worth whatever you'll trade for it (in this case, your integrity)? Wouldn't having your integrity be more worth it in the end?

Come on, Jedi. Live your code. I'm practically begging you. Make me believe in you.


If it's not worth what the developer is asking for it, the person can either use it pirated or not use it at all, which changes absolutely nothing from the developer's point of view, he's still not getting paid. When appropriately managed piracy does a lot of good, especially when it comes to finding better ways to capitalise and on larger scales.

No-one loses integrity over the copy of something immaterial, and money not made is not money lost. Instead of telling people to shut up or what you think jedi values are, maybe think it through first?

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06 Sep 2017 18:34 #300760 by
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Taking something without giving something in return causes an imbalance and is not healthy for any system. In this case it's the economy, but that's true of any system. We have to work together and support each other, pirating software (or music, movies, books, etc) is selfish. You've done nothing to balance the system. That kind of relationship can only last for so long.

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07 Sep 2017 00:02 #300791 by Adder
You mean try before you buy :D
If you can afford it, buy it!!!!!!
The good stuff is way too expensive for most folk, as its intended for industry... so its not a lost sale, rather another capable user ie convert.

But, I think wisdom is accurate and relevant knowledge received from unexpected sources, and so I'd guess it is 'unwise' to do something illegal just because you've not yet been caught... as things might change unexpectedly, and you might get caught! Is the risk really worth it.

So yea, I have in the distant past, but only a few times, when I was poor(er). As it's annoying seeing people with money progress because they have access to things because of money, leaving the poor stuck as poor - but I realized that was a failure of appropriate focus. It's like a train, get in it if you want in it, or risk getting run over by pretending to be in it by riding on its step.... so find any way to get in properly, but more importantly how to stay in, if you want in.

So I stopped ages ago, with so much free stuff these days, or make it yourself! There is hardly a dire need to do it IMO, but its a risk v reward scenario that each person will decide. I have even bought the odd piece of software over the years when I was able, which is usually a rip off because they only support them for so long, as mentioned the decent stuff is meant for deeper pockets of industry usually.

The real pain in the butt is when someone steals your work and makes money from it :ohmy:

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07 Sep 2017 00:22 - 07 Sep 2017 00:22 #300792 by
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ren wrote: If it's not worth what the developer is asking for it, the person can either use it pirated or not use it at all, which changes absolutely nothing from the developer's point of view, he's still not getting paid. When appropriately managed piracy does a lot of good, especially when it comes to finding better ways to capitalise and on larger scales.

No-one loses integrity over the copy of something immaterial, and money not made is not money lost. Instead of telling people to shut up or what you think jedi values are, maybe think it through first?


Prime example :whistle: Anything requiring that much effort to erase it from your conscience is something you shouldn't be doing.
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07 Sep 2017 00:37 #300793 by
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Snowy Aftermath wrote:

ren wrote: If it's not worth what the developer is asking for it, the person can either use it pirated or not use it at all, which changes absolutely nothing from the developer's point of view, he's still not getting paid. When appropriately managed piracy does a lot of good, especially when it comes to finding better ways to capitalise and on larger scales.

No-one loses integrity over the copy of something immaterial, and money not made is not money lost. Instead of telling people to shut up or what you think jedi values are, maybe think it through first?


Prime example :whistle: Anything requiring that much effort to erase it from your conscience is something you shouldn't be doing.


That's something for him to decide.

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07 Sep 2017 01:10 - 07 Sep 2017 01:13 #300796 by Lykeios Little Raven

Avalonslight wrote: I do mind what I love doing for free when it's for someone else's use but my own.

Show me a society where everyone has their needs and requirements paid for and I will show you a society where I can provide my livelihood to you for donations only.

Until then, you pay so I can live to keep providing you with what you're paying for. That's the way capitalism (or even the world really) works.

And therein lies the trouble with capitalism...our ability to survive depends on our ability to provide others with products and services. Our worth is judged by what we provide for others.

Your point is well taken, but there is a better way.

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07 Sep 2017 01:52 #300799 by Kobos

Lykeios wrote:

Avalonslight wrote: I do mind what I love doing for free when it's for someone else's use but my own.

Show me a society where everyone has their needs and requirements paid for and I will show you a society where I can provide my livelihood to you for donations only.

Until then, you pay so I can live to keep providing you with what you're paying for. That's the way capitalism (or even the world really) works.

And therein lies the trouble with capitalism...our ability to survive depends on our ability to provide others with products and services. Our worth is judged by what we provide for others.

Your point is well taken, but there is a better way.



Lykeios, I see what your saying; but in reality there really isn't a better way, in any system of human society, our survival as a social species requires us to be able exchange goods or services for other goods or services we cannot provide ourselves. And there are always third parties who differentiate the value of said services or goods (in most cases to their benefit). So then what is are alternative knowing that we cannot for the most part trust those third parties?

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