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Blurred Lines of Morality
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29 Aug 2017 16:32 #300003
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These are quite some interesting responses to reflect back on. Here is some stuff that I took away from some of the responses, both humorously and intellectually:
Adder, you might have influenced me to do some quiet “reunion crashing” at some family reunion. In the name of science of course.
Dewy.Cosmos, thanks for sharing your personal experiences and allowing others to learn from it. I agree with you, it is difficult to suppose, or impose that our actions have no direct consequences, even when there is a low probability that the other person will recall them, or if we deem they are not “mature enough to comprehend the situation.” Action that capitalizes on another’s vulnerability is hard to morally justify.
Lykeios, simple, practical, and to the point. “Be happy with what you do, just don’t break the laws, or tell me about it you weirdos.”
Gisteron, your take on the second scenario is similar to how I align. I wish to be turned into a tree after I die, but my wife insists on turning me into a wearable ring. Eh, I’m the dead one, she will have to live with losing me in the cushions of the couch.
Manu, I couldn’t even get past “paint whiskers on you hand”. Lol I like the alternatives.
Kyrin, you have a very interesting take on the topic of bestiality. We don’t ask their permission from them at all. We kind of just take without the expectation of received consent. I became a vegetarian for this reason. (But now one can argue that I am a mass murder of the plants that I don’t receive consent from eating, which is an entirely separate discussion.)
I think it’s good to mental exercises like this to understand that some uncomfortable situations might be morally permissible. But how far does one (or should one go) to impose themselves in order to prevent an ambiguous situation? What line do you draw between “live and let live” and “the call to action?”
Adder, you might have influenced me to do some quiet “reunion crashing” at some family reunion. In the name of science of course.
Dewy.Cosmos, thanks for sharing your personal experiences and allowing others to learn from it. I agree with you, it is difficult to suppose, or impose that our actions have no direct consequences, even when there is a low probability that the other person will recall them, or if we deem they are not “mature enough to comprehend the situation.” Action that capitalizes on another’s vulnerability is hard to morally justify.
Lykeios, simple, practical, and to the point. “Be happy with what you do, just don’t break the laws, or tell me about it you weirdos.”
Gisteron, your take on the second scenario is similar to how I align. I wish to be turned into a tree after I die, but my wife insists on turning me into a wearable ring. Eh, I’m the dead one, she will have to live with losing me in the cushions of the couch.
Manu, I couldn’t even get past “paint whiskers on you hand”. Lol I like the alternatives.
Kyrin, you have a very interesting take on the topic of bestiality. We don’t ask their permission from them at all. We kind of just take without the expectation of received consent. I became a vegetarian for this reason. (But now one can argue that I am a mass murder of the plants that I don’t receive consent from eating, which is an entirely separate discussion.)
I think it’s good to mental exercises like this to understand that some uncomfortable situations might be morally permissible. But how far does one (or should one go) to impose themselves in order to prevent an ambiguous situation? What line do you draw between “live and let live” and “the call to action?”
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30 Aug 2017 22:01 #300121
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1.) I would want to establish the friendship with the bully under the pretense that it would turn out to be lifelong and worthwhile. For me, I try not to live too much in the past, but it is also worth recognizing that my action would also impact the relationship with my sibling. I think honest and open communication is a must with your younger sibling in order to ensure them that your intentions are right. As for dealing with the bully, I wouldn’t even bring up the thought of the abuse that my sibling underwent. I would just try to treat him as a stranger in the situation and hope that through my actions of an informal peace offering that someone benefits from it. Whether it was the bully who learns to better manage his social skills or my sibling through active forgiving. Maybe through positive role modeling the bully will confront my sibling and apologize for his actions and the two would be able to coexist healthily.
2.) Knowledge is power. I would bring it to the attention to the Human Resources manager to hold a conference with him or to hold meeting to discuss the alleged concerns. If that didn’t work, then I would have already had an idea for a backup position with another company and I would have left the details of my resignation in my notice to corporate.
3.) This is a tough one. My job as a spouse is not to pass judgement, but to be there for them. I would encourage them to look inside themselves and make a decision. Ultimately, I am not the one who is going to live with the consequences of her choice, but her choice, or lack of choice can affect the nature of our present relationship. There is no responsibility in feelings, only in our actions.
4.) I think it would boil down to both parties given consent in the relationship. Morally is it permissible? Sure, I mean you could justify it, because she is willingly allowing the exchange of her services for protection; however, it tip toes on comfortability because we don’t want to see the child being exploited. I would have to know a bit more information about the child’s wellbeing and her input in the situation and if their bargain was unconditional.
2.) Knowledge is power. I would bring it to the attention to the Human Resources manager to hold a conference with him or to hold meeting to discuss the alleged concerns. If that didn’t work, then I would have already had an idea for a backup position with another company and I would have left the details of my resignation in my notice to corporate.
3.) This is a tough one. My job as a spouse is not to pass judgement, but to be there for them. I would encourage them to look inside themselves and make a decision. Ultimately, I am not the one who is going to live with the consequences of her choice, but her choice, or lack of choice can affect the nature of our present relationship. There is no responsibility in feelings, only in our actions.
4.) I think it would boil down to both parties given consent in the relationship. Morally is it permissible? Sure, I mean you could justify it, because she is willingly allowing the exchange of her services for protection; however, it tip toes on comfortability because we don’t want to see the child being exploited. I would have to know a bit more information about the child’s wellbeing and her input in the situation and if their bargain was unconditional.
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30 Aug 2017 22:25 #300124
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Replied by thomaswfaulkner on topic Blurred Lines of Morality
My issue isn't with the act involved just the exploitation itself. She could be shining boots, working in a sweatshop, or having casual sex with someone and it still be the same. My concern comes from her understanding the nature of her relationship. Does she understand and accept her role within that relationship, or is it simply a means to an end?
Exploitation is a sticky subject. It isn't wrong to want to capitalize on the vulnerabilities of others, not necessarily, but I like to focus on a person's intent. Where was this man's intent? Is the child given the ability to not participate in sex or is she simply a purchase tool?
I don't think I'm doing that good of a job verbally explaining it as well as I see the picture in my head.
Exploitation is a sticky subject. It isn't wrong to want to capitalize on the vulnerabilities of others, not necessarily, but I like to focus on a person's intent. Where was this man's intent? Is the child given the ability to not participate in sex or is she simply a purchase tool?
I don't think I'm doing that good of a job verbally explaining it as well as I see the picture in my head.
Right View ~ Right Intention ~ Right Speech ~ Right Action ~ Right Livelihood ~ Right Effort ~ Right Mindfulness ~ Right Concentration
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May all beings be happy and free and may the thoughts, words, and actions of my own life contribute
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