Many are purposing that the Jedi must go away...for the to be balance.

I find this unusual for people around the internet to be saying. IMO, I think that there has to be both dark and light for there to be a balance in THE FORCE. Not, one greater yet, not one less either. Do I agree with Sith teachings or The Sith ways? No, I don't do I choose the light side of THE FORCE over the dark absolutely. Does that mean we as Jedi do things or say things that might be prematurely on the side of darkness? Sure I will be the first to admit that at times I can be, will I turn to the dark-side? No. I am not talking Star Wars philosophical stuff or fictional jedi material but, I mean I begun to think when Luke said, "The Jedi must end." then again I feel like that's not the entire conversation or, where he stops talking either. However, this line made me think and ponder the thought.

"Could darkness ever be fully in control?" "Could we see a day where the light side was all
humanity embraced?"
examples of times when it seemed like the dark side had taken full control
-The world wars
-The Holocaust
-9/11
and so on...however, that maybe in the midst of all this light was still there. As, I have believed since coming here and from the IP studies. I don't think Darkness is noticeable without the presence of light and vice versa. Adam didn't know of Sin until he committed a sin in the garden of Eden. He knew no wrong until he committed what was dark and/or a sin to God. We didn't know it was wrong until, we got caught stealing that candy bar from the store until we learned stealing is wrong. Where there is darkness...so will there be light.

In the fiction, the Jedi are the greatest imbalancing force to influence the Force. There are too many of them, too rigidly structured, with little-to-no organized opposition. They have made the Light side too prevalent; their destruction brought balance to the Force.

Another way to look at it is to replace "Jedi" with "Sith". If Luke said "the Sith must end", wouldn't that also bring imbalance? I think the real goal should be to end all of the labels. They create division and conflict. If everyone was just a "Force User", they could be judged on their actions alone rather than the preconceived notions that come along with the name.

In the fiction, Mace Windu was close. He understood that even the Jedi should be more wary of their own power and he actively campaigned against the training and promotion of Anakin for just that reason. He also had no problem killing Palpatine without a trial because his power was also too dangerous, but Anakin stopped him.

In the end, the Force will find balance regardless. Worrying about Jedi/Sith or Light/Dark is actually pretty arbitrary.

As I live and breath my focus is not ever to be a Jedi . I am Jedi . During this focus in the beginning it seemed to be annoying to others and such. The things I saw the ways and the ideas identified. There is always tack needed in life. Now , no one in my personal life sees the name but counts on the ideas. Now , after much much finding trial and error and study , I am at the point in my life I choose to be. No one I have met wants me to go away as a Jedi . It's annoying to most of them cuz let's face it , Jedi are smart. So many difrent ways to act as a Jedi , would it wise to say there are a lot of of present examples that lack our way of further understanding past the old movie comic book lore. I find there will be those as there will be those who do not agree and see eye to eye. The idea I sometimes share ... Whiles changing a tire or giving or listening .... Is rarely met with opposition or lore .
Some of those feeling s and ideas are evident without the Jedi name.
I hope a silly example of mine helps to see the possibilities friend. Not every one hate Jedi by name , some count on Jedi and will never know it . We do things for difrent reasons. I have mine . I do , as I live. If your focus are set then ... What does it matter if every one else isn't ... Lots of people love the net , I hate it yet... Here we are as iron sharpens iron learning fr each other ! My box is always open friend for you !
May the Force be with y'all ... Every where you seek it ... Right next to you even ... In our people and in our life's !!!!

I think it's likely the director getting the trailer to throw us a complete curveball - like when they spent most of the TFA campaign building up Finn as the movie's Jedi rather than Rey. Probably not worth worrying about until we can actually see the entire movie.

I quote from the book "Into the Void" by Tim Lebbon:

"A Je’daii needs darkness and light, shadow and illumination, because without the two there can be no balance. Veer to Bogan, and Ashla feels too constraining, too pure; edge toward Ashla, and Bogan becomes a monstrous myth. A Je’daii without balance between both is no Je’daii at all. He, or she, is simply lost"

For those that are not up with the lingo, Ashla = Light, Bogan = Dark.

The fictional Jedi are too many in number, they view the other side as a "monstrous myth" because of their rigid lifestyle.

As with many members of this site, the middle, the "Bendu", is the Path that balances the Force. The Force, as I see it, is a coin. It has two sides, but you cannot spend only one side, nor is one side inherently worth more than the other.

I agree, Sven, with your point that you cannot notice darkness without light, and vice versa. Shadows exist in all places where there is light. They can never be eliminated. The stronger the light, the darker the shadows. Balance is struck in the grey clouds that blend light and dark together.

That’s just my views on the matter. I don't think the Jedi have to end (our group at least). But the extremist Jedi of the movies were, in essence, making their own enemies by being so stringent with their doctrine, not allowing members to wander towards the balancing grey.

When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.
- Jiddu Krishnamurti

The bloated and decrepit Jedi Order we see in Episodes I-III could very much be perceived as a totalitarian organization forcing "democracy" and "freedom" down people's throats. The fact that they mean well and do not act without consent of the Senate matters little to the Galaxy's outliers when they are forced to receive Jedi "ambassadors" who are sent to "negotiate". So it is one of those "point of view" kind of scenarios.

Is evil the darkside of humans, yea I'd say so... and as I see it here doctrinally at the Temple as well. For me though the Force is not limited to humans (or even lifeforms), and since how I define evil tends to infer at least some measure of intelligence, its not useful for me to associate it to any side of the Force, as attributes in of themselves.

And being the limits of the game of black and white might be to systems that have a required interaction of parts - in regards to evil as the darkside of the Force IMO it might be a case of "correlation does not imply causation", or as people underwater say 'cum hoc ergo propter hoc'.

But not only do peoples definitions of evil differ, so does concepts of dark and light of the Force, and indeed the Force itself, so it depends.

If by dark side it is meant 'evil', then mine is the 'knowledge of, and efforts to increase, suffering of another against their will'. And since the clever thing about being sentient is we have the capacity to think about causality instead of just reacting causally - it leads me to have the view that the existence of evil is not required for compassion to exist - if evil can instead be imagined then that is enough. We imagine things which have never been anything but fiction for example and learn lessons from them, so.. same concept.

So while I think concepts like good and bad are inherently subjective - I don't see evil and compassion as being subjective in the slightest, as even though a person can have a subjective view about either of them (evil or compassion), it does not change the nature and action of evil or compassion to me, so I'd consider them objective and not subjective.

And I don't see any excuse for evil, whether it be as a result of ones subconscious, the Force, being intoxicated, the will of God, or obviously ones conscious decision. IMO it simply need not exist. Such that if someone deliberately murders someone (evil IMO) and gets caught.... stick em in hole with a toilet and food, and if their suffering increases its not as a result of action by us, its a result of action by them (for being there) - but additionally jabbing them with a cattle prod once a day would be evil IMO... for example.
Point being there are measures of it, and so on either side of that measure lays lighter or darker measures depending on the values one chooses to contextualize whatever it is being measured, eg endeavoring to minimize evil and maximize compassion within the parameters of the circumstances are light IMO. It then becomes for me those 'directions' of effort which define light and dark. In complex circumstances it might not be a direction, but a constellation - and depending on the shape of that, depends on how grey it might be. The pesky grey areas always are hard to navigate.... so grey can mean to me things like indecision, dark is reverse or backwards, and light is forward. Therefore it can apply to everything, as it is with me the Force is part of everything. What determines a connection to something is how that relationship changes over time - the impact of our intention changes this, and how 'true' we are to our morals gives it its 'colour'. This then gives some footing with a darkside path (assuming alignment to that concept) to actually have some real relevance to engineer a particular type of what might otherwise fall within Jediism, but to work on those natural areas of our psyche which hold a shorter term spike of power at the cost of longer term progress... as it fits into the fiction in many regards as well #inserteddisclaimer
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So perhaps to work out why the Jedi must go away, I'd ask which Jedi have to go away??