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Ouch.MartaLina wrote: I will treat every comment or subject as if it is new and I will not base my answer on the history I have with that person
Okay, if it stings, it's probably because I needed to hear it.
Thanks, Marta. I'm swiping yours.
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Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself "Is it true?"
At the second gate, ask yourself "Is it necessary?"
At the third gate, ask yourself, "Is it kind?"
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steamboat28 wrote: In all honesty, this makes me want to write a lesson on the Three Gates. I think they're something that might help us all a little, myself included.
Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself "Is it true?"
At the second gate, ask yourself "Is it necessary?"
At the third gate, ask yourself, "Is it kind?"
theres a good idea in there but i dont think "kindness" should be a gate
especially since "necessary" came first
if it is NECESSARY then it doesnt matter if it is kind.
you can be as kind as possible about saying it, sure
"dont say things just because you want to hurt people" maybe
but i think that using "kind" as a filter is problematic
"honest and well thought" out is better
honest and well thought out and with a genuine consideration for the well being of the other person - that is a kindness, even if they dont want to hear it
of course there is the issue of "am i really qualified to speak on this matter?"
i know i have a habit of blurting out sometimes when i shouldnt, and thats something to be mindful of, but still i think honest feedback is more useful and beneficial than just "kindness"
People are complicated.
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OB1Shinobi wrote:
steamboat28 wrote: In all honesty, this makes me want to write a lesson on the Three Gates. I think they're something that might help us all a little, myself included.
Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself "Is it true?"
At the second gate, ask yourself "Is it necessary?"
At the third gate, ask yourself, "Is it kind?"
theres a good idea in there but i dont think "kindness" should be a gate
especially since "necessary" came first
if it is NECESSARY then it doesnt matter if it is kind.
you can be as kind as possible about saying it, sure
"dont say things just because you want to hurt people" maybe
but i think that using "kind" as a filter is problematic
"honest and well thought" out is better
honest and well thought out and with a genuine consideration for the well being of the other person - that is a kindness, even if they dont want to hear it
of course there is the issue of "am i really qualified to speak on this matter?"
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Obi the part I bolded of your post is sort of the point that I want to make. Something being kind does not mean it wont hurt. Surgery is a kindness even though it can hurt a whole lot. Cutting off my moms limb hurt her and impacted her life perminantly but as she had cancer it was the kindest thing that could be done.
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Thanks for sharing, Leah

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https://library.templeofthejediorder.org/library/JediJediism/JediAdvicesandQueries.pdf
especially paragraphs 13 to 18 as relevant to this discussion

13. Do not assume that your ideas and input are not worthy to
be shared. Sincerity in our words, even if brief, may open the
way to new insights for others. When prompted to share your
ideas, wait patiently to know that the leading and the time are
right, but do not let a sense of your unworthiness hold you
back. Be mindful that your contribution should arise from
experience, and trust that words will be given to you. Try to
speak clearly and distinctly, and with sensitivity to the needs of
others. Beware of speaking too predictably or too often, and of
making additions towards the end of a discussion when it has
already moved on.
14. Are your contributions to the Temple held in the spirit of
mindfulness and in the guidance of The Force? Remember
that we do not seek a majority nor even a consensus. As we
wait patiently for guidance from The Force, our experience is
that the right way will open and we shall be led into unity.
15. Do you take part as often as you can in the Temple and in
your community? Are you familiar enough with the Jedi
Council to contribute to its process? Do you consider difficult
questions with an informed mind as well as a generous and
loving spirit? Are you prepared to let your insights and
personal wishes take their place alongside those of others or
to be set aside? When not participating in The Temple,
continue to nurture mindfulness in whatever you do.
16. Do you welcome the diversity of culture, language and
expressions of faith at the Temple? Seek to increase your
understanding and to gain from the rich heritage and wide
range of spiritual insights. Uphold what you have learnt from
others in your mind.
17. Do you respect the manifestation of The Force in
everyone, though it may be expressed in unfamiliar ways or
be difficult to discern? Each of us has a particular experience
of The Force and each of us must find the ways to be true to
it. When words are strange or disturbing to you, try to sense
where they come from and what has nourished the lives of
others. Listen patiently and seek the truth which other people’s
opinions may contain for you. Avoid hurtful criticism and
provocative language. Do not allow the strength of your
convictions to betray you into making statements or
allegations that are unfair or untrue. Think it possible that you
have been mistaken.
18. How can we make The Temple a community in which
each person is accepted and nurtured, and strangers are
welcome? Seek to know one another in the things which are
eternal, bear the burden of each other’s failings and help one
another. As we enter with tender sympathy into the joys and
sorrows of each other’s lives, ready to give help and receive it,
The Temple can be a channel for love and forgiveness.
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If peace cannot be maintained with honour, it is no longer peace . . .
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Lol. I have to remember that one. Especially when it comes to coworkers and other people in physical spaces.
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