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10 Oct 2016 18:36 #260595 by Manu
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I'm going to keep intercting jokes between heated arguments. Because humor is the answer!

The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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10 Oct 2016 18:41 #260600 by
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I will treat every comment or subject as if it is new and I will not base my answer on the history I have with that person

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10 Oct 2016 19:29 #260615 by
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MartaLina wrote: I will treat every comment or subject as if it is new and I will not base my answer on the history I have with that person

Ouch.

Okay, if it stings, it's probably because I needed to hear it.

Thanks, Marta. I'm swiping yours.

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10 Oct 2016 19:37 #260618 by steamboat28
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In all honesty, this makes me want to write a lesson on the Three Gates. I think they're something that might help us all a little, myself included.

Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself "Is it true?"
At the second gate, ask yourself "Is it necessary?"
At the third gate, ask yourself, "Is it kind?"

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10 Oct 2016 19:45 - 10 Oct 2016 19:49 #260622 by OB1Shinobi
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steamboat28 wrote: In all honesty, this makes me want to write a lesson on the Three Gates. I think they're something that might help us all a little, myself included.

Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself "Is it true?"
At the second gate, ask yourself "Is it necessary?"
At the third gate, ask yourself, "Is it kind?"


theres a good idea in there but i dont think "kindness" should be a gate
especially since "necessary" came first

if it is NECESSARY then it doesnt matter if it is kind.
you can be as kind as possible about saying it, sure

"dont say things just because you want to hurt people" maybe

but i think that using "kind" as a filter is problematic

"honest and well thought" out is better

honest and well thought out and with a genuine consideration for the well being of the other person - that is a kindness, even if they dont want to hear it

of course there is the issue of "am i really qualified to speak on this matter?"

i know i have a habit of blurting out sometimes when i shouldnt, and thats something to be mindful of, but still i think honest feedback is more useful and beneficial than just "kindness"

People are complicated.
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10 Oct 2016 19:53 #260625 by MadHatter
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OB1Shinobi wrote:

steamboat28 wrote: In all honesty, this makes me want to write a lesson on the Three Gates. I think they're something that might help us all a little, myself included.

Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself "Is it true?"
At the second gate, ask yourself "Is it necessary?"
At the third gate, ask yourself, "Is it kind?"


theres a good idea in there but i dont think "kindness" should be a gate
especially since "necessary" came first

if it is NECESSARY then it doesnt matter if it is kind.
you can be as kind as possible about saying it, sure

"dont say things just because you want to hurt people" maybe

but i think that using "kind" as a filter is problematic

"honest and well thought" out is better

honest and well thought out and with a genuine consideration for the well being of the other person - that is a kindness, even if they dont want to hear it

of course there is the issue of "am i really qualified to speak on this matter?"

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Obi the part I bolded of your post is sort of the point that I want to make. Something being kind does not mean it wont hurt. Surgery is a kindness even though it can hurt a whole lot. Cutting off my moms limb hurt her and impacted her life perminantly but as she had cancer it was the kindest thing that could be done.

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10 Oct 2016 19:58 #260626 by
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I shall try to be more thoughtful and open towards others opinions, despite the fact I may entirely disagree with them. I will learn to respect others comments, even if I don't like them. It's a skill worth learning not just for here, but for the world in general. It will help be that little bit more patient :)

Thanks for sharing, Leah :)

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10 Oct 2016 20:45 #260646 by Loudzoo
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I'm going to keep in mind the suggestions here:

https://library.templeofthejediorder.org/library/JediJediism/JediAdvicesandQueries.pdf

especially paragraphs 13 to 18 as relevant to this discussion :)

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If peace cannot be maintained with honour, it is no longer peace . . .
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10 Oct 2016 21:10 #260653 by
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I will try to remember that not everyone here is ready for adult level discussions.

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10 Oct 2016 22:16 - 10 Oct 2016 22:16 #260669 by
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By Khaos: I will try to remember that not everyone here is ready for adult level discussions.

Lol. I have to remember that one. Especially when it comes to coworkers and other people in physical spaces.
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