Vampire lifestyle, is there danger?

I am referring to people who adopt that kind of lifestyle, not the literal undead though. It's not a religion but there are some vampires that do practice some kind of spirituality. Some of them are the psychic ones that feed of psychic energy. Some literally drink blood from donors but that's not as common.

I want to know what this group is actually like. Some of them have used dark magic to do such things and even engage in sexual fetish when it comes to blood. If you know someone like that, you should probably question their sanity.

I know people are going to say they don't do such things but I already know dark magic exists and psi feeding does happen to other people. So it's not in my head. I've dealt with people like that before.

I know of a girl that's part of a real vampire community. She's a Wiccan or at least claim she is, and has studied the occult, and someone who follows the vampire lifestyle and combines it with the occult is usually a bad combination. If they are not actually bad, some will at least be unethical, like feeding a little energy, tricking people out of money ect. I was wondering what you thought about this and how could I tell if the girl I like is good or actually engages in unethical practices.

I suggest asking her your questions. We can postulate all day, but only she understands her path/what it means to her.

I think that unless you have an inside track on exactly how these people operate, you should be very careful about questioning anyone's sanity. Especially those not here to defend their position.

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Why are you asking about Vampire lifestyle on a Jedi site.

Thats like putting an elevator in an outhouse, it doesnt fit.

You need to be exploring vampire forums, individuals, etc.

First of all you are speaking ill of a massive community which you admittedly know little about. That is not cool. I was a part of an online community of people that ranged from various practitioners of occult arts, to vampires, to otherkin. NONE of them are as unethical as you claim. They all had a very strong code of rules in place. Further there are groups like House Kheperu that have codes against it. So unethical people are the fringes of such groups just as there are unethical people all over.

Secondly you claim that you know these things exist but there is no proof other then stories from various people. When tested it always comes up short. So while its possible to be real that is a far cry from it being KNOWN.

Finally the only way to know if the group is ethical is to know the group

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Steam I rarely agree with you but thank you for that statement as I knew many good people in these communities once upon a time.

The Vampire or Vampyre subculture is just that--a subculture. Just like any (sub)culture, there are good eggs and bad eggs. Just like any (sub)culture, there are people at varying degrees of "seriousness" in the subculture. You can't lump all Vamps together in the same group, and you can't say that they're all "unethical." That's my first point.

My second point is that bloodplay in the Vampyre community is consensual. Always. And if it's not, you've found someone that, when found out, will be ostracized in typical circumstances. Like any other sexual fetish, consent is vital in bloodplay. In fact, one could argue it's more important since

1. it actually causes physical harm
2. it carries the potential to transmit disease

People who engage in bloodplay regularly get themselves checked regularly, and demand that their blood dolls/donors/meals//vamps/licks/fangs do too.

Thirdly, and this is where we get esoteric and philosophical, if a person believes (on any level) that they require sustenance in the form of energy from another being (particularly among psychvamps) who are you to call that "unethical"? We don't call the lion unethical for eating the gazelle, and yet it destroys the gazelle. Feeding from another's energy (either with a capital E or their blood) will weaken them, but it won't kill them.

Essentially, what I'm saying is I'd prefer it if we didn't generalize about subcultures we've never belonged to unless we ask someone who has been inside it. Thanks.

I used to spend time online with some people of this culture, on a forum and in chats. They all seemed pretty similar to all the other people I have spent/do spend time online with. But as someone else says, you're only going to find out answers if you ask her yourself.

call me old facist but im skeptical of the mental health of anyone who argues with inanimate objects, finger paints with doodoo, or drinks blood because they think they need it to be healthy

however, i would defer to the opinion of a medical doctor if there are any who say there is a medical foundation to this behavior (besides being kookie i mean)

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just remembered that i agrue with my cell phone all the time

Knowledge is useful but can also distract. I'd say there are some factors which could enable unhealthy behaviour, but these exist in most every religion as well so it really comes down to what people actually do, rather then what might peripherally exist to them which can be used to create a sense of fear. Indeed the intended reaction of fear or isolationism might be deliberate if a group overtly exhibits 'dangerous' tendencies, rather then some actual truth of danger.

My experiences with them was only online also, and is they are a bit of a closed structure, and only has utility offline. That said, the introvert in me knows lots of people who are very draining
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But its a great topic because as mentioned by steamboat28, consumption is part of our nature, and probably quite deep in our psyche so much that as a target of spiritual work it might be quite an undertaking (with its own risks and rewards). I don't know enough about evolution to really go there beyond working with sustenance as an angle.

steamboat28 wrote: The Vampire or Vampyre subculture is just that--a subculture. Just like any (sub)culture, there are good eggs and bad eggs. Just like any (sub)culture, there are people at varying degrees of "seriousness" in the subculture. You can't lump all Vamps together in the same group, and you can't say that they're all "unethical." That's my first point.

My second point is that bloodplay in the Vampyre community is consensual. Always. And if it's not, you've found someone that, when found out, will be ostracized in typical circumstances. Like any other sexual fetish, consent is vital in bloodplay. In fact, one could argue it's more important since

1. it actually causes physical harm
2. it carries the potential to transmit disease

People who engage in bloodplay regularly get themselves checked regularly, and demand that their blood dolls/donors/meals//vamps/licks/fangs do too.

Thirdly, and this is where we get esoteric and philosophical, if a person believes (on any level) that they require sustenance in the form of energy from another being (particularly among psychvamps) who are you to call that "unethical"? We don't call the lion unethical for eating the gazelle, and yet it destroys the gazelle. Feeding from another's energy (either with a capital E or their blood) will weaken them, but it won't kill them.

Essentially, what I'm saying is I'd prefer it if we didn't generalize about subcultures we've never belonged to unless we ask someone who has been inside it. Thanks.

Almost all cultures or religions or spiritualistic groups will have it's bad eggs. However there are some cults or cultish groups that are totally bad but they aren't common and are usually in smaller numbers.

But comparing a psychic drain to a lion eating an animal, there really is no comparison. The lion does it to survive, the psychic vampire is willingly draining another person's energy for their own selfish needs or personal gain. I'd say that's pretty unethical, even if it doesn't kill them. You wouldn't like it if I drained your energy, would you?

That and the whole blood play. Some even use it as a sexual fetish, and it can cause diseases by doing that. That's why you'd probably question someone's sanity if they engage in such behaviors and combining a vampire lifestyle with occult magic, which they often do, seems to be a bad combination. That's where a lot of the psychic vampires come from or use blood in their rituals. Not exactly someone you'd want to hang out with. I know from personal experience the kind of people that practice such behavior. Many of them are messed up in the head.

I know it is strange to bring up vampire occultism in a jedi forum but this is an open discussion section and I wanted to know what other Jedi think about this kind of thing.