Vampire lifestyle, is there danger?

MadHatter wrote: First of all you are speaking ill of a massive community which you admittedly know little about. That is not cool. I was a part of an online community of people that ranged from various practitioners of occult arts, to vampires, to otherkin. NONE of them are as unethical as you claim. They all had a very strong code of rules in place. Further there are groups like House Kheperu that have codes against it. So unethical people are the fringes of such groups just as there are unethical people all over.

Secondly you claim that you know these things exist but there is no proof other then stories from various people. When tested it always comes up short. So while its possible to be real that is a far cry from it being KNOWN.

Finally the only way to know if the group is ethical is to know the group

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Steam I rarely agree with you but thank you for that statement as I knew many good people in these communities once upon a time.

Sorry but it's rather arrogant for you to blindly assume I know nothing when I have encountered such people, and people far worse. Some were really messed up in the head and would engage blood play, psychic vampire draining and so forth. And please, don't ever assume I know nothing about bad occultists. My brother was one of them. I'm still dealing with that even to this day. And it's pretty hard to ignore something and protect yourself from your own brother.

What do you want? A video recording of everything? I don't have absolute proof but it also doesn't mean it didn't happen either. If there are good vampires, please point me to the right direction, because many I have seen or met were bad or at least unethical. Maybe I had bad experiences. So please, show me, and I can take a look.

Again all you are doing is assuming and letting personal bias get in the mix. As stated most people in these communities get consent prior to engaging in any of their practices. Further sex can bring disease but isnt considered insane. Did you NOT read the part where Steam said that its common practice to get tested and have your partners get tested regularly? So any risk with that is a personal choice and mitigated by responsible rules of conduct.

You are stating that mixing any of this with occult practices is inherently dark or bad which there is nothing that proves or suggests that. Frankly that is all intent of those involved. So all I can see here is that you have made up your mind based on a limited set of interactions and will hear nothing to the contrary it appears.

Edit: I already mentioned one group House Kheperu. There are others out there but main web group that I knew of is dead now. However you are seriously maligning a group of people based on your limited interactions.

I like how this thread poses a question that the OP was happy to answer and defend himself. "What are these people like, you guys? Well, I think they're dangerous deviants, messed up in the head."

Why even bother?

MadHatter wrote: Again all you are doing is assuming and letting personal bias get in the mix. As stated most people in these communities get consent prior to engaging in any of their practices. Further sex can bring disease but isnt considered insane. Did you NOT read the part where Steam said that its common practice to get tested and have your partners get tested regularly? So any risk with that is a personal choice and mitigated by responsible rules of conduct.

You are stating that mixing any of this with occult practices is inherently dark or bad which there is nothing that proves or suggests that. Frankly that is all intent of those involved. So all I can see here is that you have made up your mind based on a limited set of interactions and will hear nothing to the contrary it appears.

Diseases or not, why don't you just think about that for a second. Ingesting blood for sexual or ritualistic purposes. Many people I knew that did that were scum or were just messed up individuals with mental problems.

Let's see, you see someone with a vampire lifestyle and combines it with occult, which they often do, what happens? Quite a few do psi draining. There's even written instructions on how to do that with certain vampire groups. Do people think this perfectly ok, to see others drain each other's energy? Am I missing something here?

I also said the same thing about my story of dark occultists, some of which did not believe me or do the whole "it's not a big deal kind of thing" but most of those people were also dark occultists or practiced such things, so of course they are going to say it's ok, because they think it's ok. I'm not offering proof, really because I can't. And if I did offer some evidence you wouldn't believe me anyway. And you haven't shown me any groups that are not unethical. You say I don't offer anything but I don't see you doing that either.

I practice magic, but nature magic, and with my personal experiences and with the kind of magic they practice, I can usually tell what their motives are. Lots of people involving draining or personal empowerment only, do such things for selfish unethical reasons. You can believe me or not, but I've already been through this and I've seen the patterns way too many times.

We're a part of a religion that owes its name and some superficial structural aspects to a movie franchise made by a cooky director whose primary claim to fame prior to the making of the iconic original trilogy was his scholarly essay attacking the coloring of B&W film. We use a crackpot hypothesis by a widely criticized World Religions professor as an introductory lesson to our religion. We even have clergy... And the vampires are the ones who need their sanity questioned?

The pot calls the kettle black.

What we call weird and thereby pathologize is determined by our culture and society. If society were predominantly vampire, think how weird it would be that there are people who worship a Jewish baby-turned-omnipotent-adult that was brutally murdered by the Roman empire.

Yabuturtle wrote: Minds made up based on personal interaction

From what I can see you have had a bad experiance/es and have made up your mind so there is no point in debate. Frankly no point in the thread really. People have pointed out that many of these people and groups have a code of ethics that require informed consent and so forth but that does not seem to matter to you. It appears very clear that you have already made up your mind so why even ask if you will hear nothing against your view.

Edit: Once again a person I normally dont agree with hits it on the head. Perfectly stated Jamie.

Jamie Stick wrote: We're a part of a religion that owes its name and some superficial structural aspects to a movie franchise made by a cooky director whose primary claim to fame prior to the making of the iconic original trilogy was his scholarly essay attacking the coloring of B&W film. We use a crackpot hypothesis by a widely criticized World Religions professor as an introductory lesson to our religion. We even have clergy... And the vampires are the ones who need their sanity questioned?

The pot calls the kettle black.

What we call weird and thereby pathologize is determined by our culture and society. If society were predominantly vampire, think how weird it would be that there are people who worship a Jewish baby-turned-omnipotent-adult that was brutally murdered by the Roman empire.

Uh...the Jedi don't drain other's energy, or use blood for ingestion or sex or rituals. What normal people do you know that do that?

But of course this isn't pertaining to every vampire but quite a few vampires especially the occultists engage in such behaviors. If the Jedi started believing Yoda and Palptaine exist and that we're part of a galactic republic, then you'd question their sanity. This isn't just about vampire beliefs but practices, some of which are pretty messed up.

Yabuturtle wrote:
Uh...the Jedi don't drain other's energy, or use blood for ingestion or sex or rituals.

And you know this for a fact? Blood and sex are integral parts of many magical workings, not just vampire traditions.

Yabuturtle wrote: What normal people do you know that do that?

You keep using normal as if everyone's definition of normal is the same. Normal isn't a real thing, it's socially constructed in accordance with the dominant culture. In plain English: normal is fake idea people pass along to make themselves feel better in relation to other people who don't look or act like them.

Yabuturtle wrote: But of course this isn't pertaining to every vampire but quite a few vampires especially the occultists engage in such behaviors. If the Jedi started believing Yoda and Palptaine exist and that we're part of a galactic republic, then you'd question their sanity. This isn't just about vampire beliefs but practices, some of which are pretty messed up.

You've already admitted you know very little about what it means to be a vampire, yet you continue to call it weird and messed up or not normal. Has it occurred to you that you're doing the exact same thing as the people who come here and accuse us of being old fat men in bathrobes waving toy lightsabers around?

Jamie Stick wrote:

Yabuturtle wrote:
Uh...the Jedi don't drain other's energy, or use blood for ingestion or sex or rituals.

And you know this for a fact? Blood and sex are integral parts of many magical workings, not just vampire traditions.

Yabuturtle wrote: What normal people do you know that do that?

You keep using normal as if everyone's definition of normal is the same. Normal isn't a real thing, it's socially constructed in accordance with the dominant culture. In plain English: normal is fake idea people pass along to make themselves feel better in relation to other people who don't look or act like them.

Yabuturtle wrote: But of course this isn't pertaining to every vampire but quite a few vampires especially the occultists engage in such behaviors. If the Jedi started believing Yoda and Palptaine exist and that we're part of a galactic republic, then you'd question their sanity. This isn't just about vampire beliefs but practices, some of which are pretty messed up.

You've already admitted you know very little about what it means to be a vampire, yet you continue to call it weird and messed up or not normal. Has it occurred to you that you're doing the exact same thing as the people who come here and accuse us of being old fat men in bathrobes waving toy lightsabers around?

I know people keep using that "normal" thing where if it's normal in a society than it's ok. Well if pedophilia is normal in a culture, does that make it ok, because it's ok in that particular society?

People often use that as a reason to justify their reasons, because there is no such thing as normal to anyone. But ingesting blood or draining energy is not of the norm in most societies anyway. You say I admit to knowing little even though I specifically stated that I have known some in the past. Guess people skipped that part.

But I am not going to pretend I know everything about it because I don't. Is there a group that doesn't engage in unethical, messed up or bad behavior? I have yet to see anyone provide anything. All I hear is. "lolz you know nothing because I say so." That doesn't really help here. I'm sure there are some that are decent, albeit weird folk. I do know some that are scummy so I already know from personal experience that there are some bad ones out there, but I guess people here have been spying on me and know more about my life than I do.

I know enough of some of the practices particularly the occultist vampires but I wish to know more so I can find out the truth about this.

No one has provided anything? For the THIRD time now I will mention House Kheperu. You claim you cant offer proof that there are bad people or they do bad thing but demand we offer proof that there are good and ethical groups out there that have rules about consent and so forth. How does that make sense. What you are doing is what you accuse others of doing which is saying this is bad because I say so with no proof offered.