Man ...

Yeah we all should have a lot more fun in life i think , but not at the expense of Nature and this beautifull place we live in , i try to do my part to leave a small footstep but i do feel responsible for this organism called earth and it does hurt what is being done to it , but that leaves me with a choice i made a long time ago. I decided to live differently , all the rubbish that gets poured over us and all the evil that is being commited certainly had an effect , but YES i believe in doing the right thing , but what i dont appreciete is people telling me that i should not point out once in a while how filthy we can be , and this video makes me ashamed of being human , but other videos make me so proud to be part of this world and his achievements , i love to love , and make peace and make it just a little brighter

That we are on the Light side does not mean that we ignore the shit that we put our lights on , we are not blind ....and we are capable of change

but what i dont appreciete is people telling me that i should not point out once in a while how filthy we can be ,

Please.

You live in the same world I do, in which the free press lives by the notion " If it bleeds, it leads."

You can go anywhere without trouble to find people pointing out how "Filthy" humanity can be.

That, is not hard to find if that is what you need at any given time.

The world does not lack for people pointing that out, though it is by far easier to join the majority in pointing, than the minority.

Khaos wrote:

but what i dont appreciete is people telling me that i should not point out once in a while how filthy we can be ,

Please.

You live in the same world I do, in which the free press lives by the notion " If it bleeds, it leads."

You can go anywhere without trouble to find people pointing out how "Filthy" humanity can be.

That, is not hard to find if that is what you need at any given time.

The world does not lack for people pointing that out, though it is by far easier to join the majority in pointing, than the minority.

I dont think the majority is at fault here , the minority messes it up , but ok... still believe that we should be able to let others see how it should not be done , and how it could look from the outside ! As do i have a responsibility to point out how beautifull and wonderous and loving we can be ... But the dangerous water is not from those people is it ?

To be blunt,

Mother earth has killed off far more than she has brought on. More species are extinct than currently exist, and the trend continues in this pattern. Starvation, disease, natural disasters, predatory species - all make life a living hell for the majority of creatures that walk this plane. You either fight to live, or you become a meal for something else. Mother earth doesn't care about us, or any other creature that walks upon her.

If we have to rough her up a little bit in order to ensure our continued survival, then so be it.

EDIT:

I also want to add that this doesn't mean I support the wholesale destruction of our natural environment and the ecosystems that thousands of species currently depend upon. I firmly support the preservation and conservation of the existing natural environment, and am a supporter of programs which educate and inform the public of the dangers of environmental disruption through means such as over hunting, over fishing, and deforestation.

I don't think it's a good idea however to hold nature in reverence however, as it is designed to kill you and will do so if it gets the proper chance.

Kohadre wrote: I don't think it's a good idea however to hold nature in reverence however, as it is designed to kill you and will do so if it gets the proper chance.

Nature is also the thing that sustains us. I think that deserves a certain amount of respect don't you think? It is not "designed" to kill us so much as it is just indifferent to our deaths. It is "designed" to produce life that exists in a finite cycle and so death is just a part of the process. The "design" is in the circle of life, not the eradication of it.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Kohadre wrote: I don't think it's a good idea however to hold nature in reverence however, as it is designed to kill you and will do so if it gets the proper chance.

Nature is also the thing that sustains us. I think that deserves a certain amount of respect don't you think? It is not "designed" to kill us so much as it is just indifferent to our deaths. It is "designed" to produce life that exists in a finite cycle and so death is just a part of the process. The "design" is in the circle of life, not the eradication of it.

Again, I'm not trying to push the anti-earth message it might seem.

Whether it is designed to kill us or indifferent to our deaths doesn't make much difference when it still comes down to us dying as a product of natures inherent way of being. Because of this, it is imperative that we do whatever is necessary to survive the design of our natural environment, which is including but not limited to its controlled destruction.

At the same time, we need to prioritize the conservation and preservation of the natural environment. We are currently eliminating all threats to us in a wholesale manner, rather than doing so selectively and through careful consideration. As a product of this, we are doing major damage to essential environmental ecosystems that cannot be repaired or rehabilitated.

If nature hadn't killed off millions of human beings through predation and disease, we likely wouldn't have been compelled to fight back against it as hard as we currently are. For right or wrong, we are only doing what we are doing in order to survive the environment that keeps killing us off.

You can quote the whole circle of life business and justify it in that manner, but the reasons for our actions remained unchanged.

As far as respect goes, I have a great respect and appreciation for nature. Much of my time is spent outdoors on hiking trails, or tracking and photographing wildlife. This respect isn't reverent in nature however, as I understand that I am just another part of it and as such am not above or beneath any other element. I don't worship nature, as I am nature.

We are both on the same side of the argument, just with slightly different perspectives.

Kohadre wrote: Again, I'm not trying to push the anti-earth message it might seem.

Whether it is designed to kill us or indifferent to our deaths doesn't make much difference when it still comes down to us dying as a product of natures inherent way of being. Because of this, it is imperative that we do whatever is necessary to survive the design of our natural environment, which is including but not limited to its controlled destruction.
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We are both on the same side of the argument, just with slightly different perspectives.

Actually I dont think we are on the same side of the argument...

In fact it makes every difference. Being indifferent to an event is nothing like planning and executing an event with intent. You seem to imply that “nature” is on a mission to annihilate us like some sort of enemy invader that has secured a beachhead in our species and is now systematically destroying us with directed intent. This is simply not the case. Would an enemy bent on our destruction also supply those it’s trying to extinguish with the energy to sustain themselves and the fuel to mobilize themselves and protections from otherwise harmful effects of its onslaught? I think not. Your analogy makes no sense. You say you “are nature” so how is nature on this mission to kill you? Do you consider nature to be some sort of cancer?

We don’t have any more of an imperative to defend ourselves from nature than any other species on this planet. You say we need to be more selective in our consideration of things we destroy to defend ourselves but who decides what things we should destroy and what things we should not? When is the cost too high and when is it justified? When our actions destroy the lively hood of another species are we warranted in that act because, after all we saved ourselves from nature. What gives us the right to live any more than any other species on this planet? Is it just because we’re the biggest bad asses on the block and we get to make the rules and do what we want?

What happens when nature says, “Enough is enough humans, you’re done.” and pulls the plug on us? Don’t you think a much better approach is to work with nature for the benefit of all vs considering nature some evil invading thing bent on our destruction? We may think we have all the power but in the end, the second nature decides we are no longer a viable component of its design it will wipe us out in an instant and there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it. I would think that the best way to minimize that ever happening would be to befriend nature and work within its rules and in harmony with its systems vs taking an aggressive approach and thinking for one second that we would ever have the power and skill to subdue it and bend it to OUR will.

That’s just me though

does "nature" have a deliberate plan to kill us?

i dunno if this baboon had a plan but he had a meal

WARNING - GRAPHIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtVXFonpaWo&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWtVXFonpaWo&has_verified=1

but these lions definitely had a plan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcnvXo6god4

animals eat us too when they can

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omMpMfCJVd4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-1-yhQJrQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6ZxmU2tIJw

ever hear of the bot fly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuyYhCTDMo

thats nature

thats the reality of nature

in order to survive, we built civilization

as a result of civilization, most of us get to eat without having to experience being eaten

and we built the internet so that we can go online and talk about how wonderful nature is, and how terrible we are lol

The problem in this conversation, as I am seeing it, is that we are identifying ourselves as being separate from the earth, as if there were somewhere else to go besides our own body. The whole creature needs to be taken care of well in order for any of it to succeed. For us to be at odds with the planet is like being at war with your neck: ridiculous.

And if man wants to have guests, it should stop trying to punch itself to death first, imo. Take your chemotherapy drugs. Stop running into traffic. You know?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Kohadre wrote: Again, I'm not trying to push the anti-earth message it might seem.

Whether it is designed to kill us or indifferent to our deaths doesn't make much difference when it still comes down to us dying as a product of natures inherent way of being. Because of this, it is imperative that we do whatever is necessary to survive the design of our natural environment, which is including but not limited to its controlled destruction.
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We are both on the same side of the argument, just with slightly different perspectives.

Actually I dont think we are on the same side of the argument...

In fact it makes every difference. Being indifferent to an event is nothing like planning and executing an event with intent. You seem to imply that “nature” is on a mission to annihilate us like some sort of enemy invader that has secured a beachhead in our species and is now systematically destroying us with directed intent. This is simply not the case. Would an enemy bent on our destruction also supply those it’s trying to extinguish with the energy to sustain themselves and the fuel to mobilize themselves and protections from otherwise harmful effects of its onslaught? I think not. Your analogy makes no sense. You say you “are nature” so how is nature on this mission to kill you? Do you consider nature to be some sort of cancer?

We don’t have any more of an imperative to defend ourselves from nature than any other species on this planet. You say we need to be more selective in our consideration of things we destroy to defend ourselves but who decides what things we should destroy and what things we should not? When is the cost too high and when is it justified? When our actions destroy the lively hood of another species are we warranted in that act because, after all we saved ourselves from nature. What gives us the right to live any more than any other species on this planet? Is it just because we’re the biggest bad asses on the block and we get to make the rules and do what we want?

What happens when nature says, “Enough is enough humans, you’re done.” and pulls the plug on us? Don’t you think a much better approach is to work with nature for the benefit of all vs considering nature some evil invading thing bent on our destruction? We may think we have all the power but in the end, the second nature decides we are no longer a viable component of its design it will wipe us out in an instant and there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it. I would think that the best way to minimize that ever happening would be to befriend nature and work within its rules and in harmony with its systems vs taking an aggressive approach and thinking for one second that we would ever have the power and skill to subdue it and bend it to OUR will.

That’s just me though

Whatever, go enjoy yourself.