ORIGINAL SIN

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10 Mar 2016 20:03 #232848 by
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I don't believe in the actual story of the Original Sin as Eve eating the forbidden fruit in Eden (not to be confused with our own Edan). I believe the stories of the bible to be mostly metaphorical.

The concept of sin is not one that I particularly agree with in that as a Jedi I don't believe that there is a supreme being that said "Do not do these listed things" but I believe that there are things that are wrong to do.

Rugadd, I find that idea very interesting. I have written out (and constantly update) my own rules to live by and use them to guide me, but I also included one (rule 15) which states that rules are adaptable so none of them are hard and fast. There can always be situations where I may bend them.

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10 Mar 2016 20:07 #232849 by Edan
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rugadd wrote: Edan: How interesting! For me, sin has always implied a need for forgiveness on the part of the offended party, and a willingness to improve on the part of the sinner. In this case, both roles are filled by me. How different!


Perhaps it is our background that changes our perspective... I did swap Christianity for something completely opposite

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10 Mar 2016 20:08 #232850 by rugadd
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Goken: There is an other funny! I always thought we ourselves were the "supreme being" writing the rules for ourselves!

Nietzsche anyone?

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10 Mar 2016 20:12 #232852 by rugadd
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Edan: You might be right. I was raised Mormon and they don't have a "hell", as it were. Perhaps I was lucky. They spend most of their time loving each other and reinforcing church dogma. An interesting, and very effective, yin yang.

I rejected the dogma, and with it the church, but I'm thankful for that perspective on my failings.

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10 Mar 2016 20:14 #232853 by
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rugadd wrote: Goken: There is an other funny! I always thought we ourselves were the "supreme being" writing the rules for ourselves!

Nietzsche anyone?


That is an interesting idea. There is some support for that idea as well. If we believe that we are all extensions of the Force and view the Force as something that is as close as we have to a deity, though not personified, then we could be, in a sense, that personified deity of the Force. Lots of if's and all up to personal interpretation of course, but interesting.

Though I'm not really familiar with Nietzsche's work. I have only the vaguest of understandings of his ideas. Personal power.

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10 Mar 2016 20:16 #232854 by
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I always thought we ourselves were the "supreme being" writing the rules for ourselves!


God(s) only made the game we are making the rules.

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10 Mar 2016 20:18 #232856 by rugadd
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Goken: Yes! That is it! Who, of all the people on the planet, has the most experience being you? Wouldn't that person be the most qualified to rule you?

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10 Mar 2016 20:23 #232857 by rugadd
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Rickie: Gods?

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10 Mar 2016 21:36 - 10 Mar 2016 21:37 #232866 by
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rugadd wrote: Rickie: Gods?

:laugh: Don't take me too literally or too seriously.

No matter the source of/for the game of life, we are our own referees.
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10 Mar 2016 21:37 - 10 Mar 2016 21:44 #232867 by OB1Shinobi
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what is the history of the word "sin"
when the word is used in the bible, what were the original (hebrew and greek) words and what did they mean?

from http://www.wordsyoudontknow.com/10-words-whose-etymology-you-dont-know/
"I’m intrigued by what etymology reveals. Consider, for example, the etymology of the word “sin”. It comes from the Old English “synn”, which has the meaning of a crime and is associated with doing evil. The Old Norse is “synd”, and the German Sünde. But its inclusion in the Bible is as a translation from the Latin “peccatum,” which doesn’t mean the same thing at all; its meaning is more in the sense of a religious error. In the original Greek version of the New Testament, the word is “hamartia,” which literally means to miss the target – a word normally associated with archery. In biblical Hebrew, the generic word for sin is het. It means to err, to miss the mark. Judaism teaches that sin is an act, and not a state of being, while Christianity (at some point) decided we were all born in a state of sin. All of which indicates that it’s easy for meaning to get mangled in translation."

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Meditations/Chata_ah/chata_ah.html

http://evidenceforchristianity.org/what-are-the-origins-of-the-word-sinr/


a very common feature of religious thought (throughout history and across cultures) is that there is a "higher" or "transcendent" level of reality, beyond the purely physical and material, and that it has rules or mandates or laws which, if followed, result in some kind of happiness or blessing or reward

and that if broken, denied or refused, result in some kinds of punishments, or states of misery

in some cases these are direct punishments from particular entities, and in some cases they are more like simply being allowed to suffer the bad consequences of poor decisions

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one of the essential messages of the story of the garden, was that humanity existed in harmony with the will of the divine at one time in our history but that, as a result of our "eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" we were separated from that harmony

my own way of understanding this is that there was a time in our evolutionary history (before the development of the pre-frontal cortex maybe) when we did not have the ability to make abstract value judgments. thats a short and easy statement but if you understand it, theres a lot to it - everything that distinguishes us as human, the very ability to distinguish ourselves as human, separate from the rest of "gods creation", originates from our ability to make abstract value judgements

and once we gained that ability, we then had the biological "hardware" for "the knowledge of good an evil" and became "aware and ashamed of our nakedness"

this would have been when genuine selfishness (and sinfulness) was able to develop, but also its counter, true selflessness (or righteousness)

and so it was the time when we came to need (or lets say "benefit greatly from") a set of "higher order" rules, guidelines, principles ect. by which to make decisions

and to understand that people, without being educated to the existence of this set of guidelines, aka in our "natural" state, are going at some point to make decisions which result in direct punishment or in "facing the consequences of our actions"

so, the idea of original sin, as it makes sense to me, is to understand that a part of our nature is not totally alert to the higher order principles which lead to "blessedness" in life, and that we need instruction of these principles in order to make the right choices

somewhere along the way, a sect of Christians decided that "WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS TRUE" was more important than "how and why you act in any given situation" and thats why we have the doctrine of "salvation through faith alone" even though Jesus himself said that we will be judged by our deeds

thats how i understand it

People are complicated.
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