All the money in the world?

Djavik wrote: If your above these laws and have night infinite resource realms of science ordinarily taboo or illegal become viable...maybe for example stem cell research. As such seemingly impossible technologies would be available to only the most wealthy and cunning.

So you really wanted the focus to be on this part of it then?

Ever heard about Russian revolution of 1917 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution)? Alexander Pushkin had prophetical words a century before that - "God save us from seeing a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless. Those who plot impossible upheavals among us, are either young and do not know our people, or are hard-hearted men who do not care a straw either about their own lives or those of others."

Maybe, the world is better as it is, for now. Corporations fight, governments fight, masons fight, illuminati fight, reptiloids from another dimensions fight.

Some people stall. Some - evolve.

While we can do little immediately, we have time to develop intellect and ethics, educate ourselves, learn how to fix things around us ranging from tiny everyday stuff to whatever peaks of action we dare achieve in our days.

As of science.

If you're serious - IMO, it's better to just go read popular books on bioinformatics, biology and modern sociology of the elites. There is no faster way.

If you are not serious, well, then -

There's an important element to this question of "what would happen if you had all the money in the world?" that, so far, I'm not seeing addressed.

Historian Will Durant and his wife spent a lifetime writing what is probably the most comprehensive review of world history that exists in the English language. Concluding their set of 11 large volumes is a slim text titled, "The Lessons of History".

Durant, in these volumes, applied all he had learned about every recorded civilization of the East and West to explain the fundamental cause of war. His conclusion was that war - whatever benefits are promised from it by its instigators - is almost always fundamentally the product of the wealth gap between the "haves" and "have nots" becoming too great. Societies can tolerate a pretty large differential between the standards of living of its poorest and richest citizens, but there's a breaking point that almost inevitably leads the general populace to rebel against the rich and powerful.

So I do not think that if one or a few people has "all of the money in the world", they would find immortality or be above the law on a lasting basis. Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette of France, and Nicholas and Alexandra of Russia, provide examples of what can befall a society's most powerful when those they dominate have had their fill.

Even absent a war or revolution, it's noteworthy that to date, no world leader or financial titan in history has lived much beyond a century, despite controlling quite a bit of wealth.

Djavik wrote:

Karn wrote: Enlightenment is closely tied to sacrifice, we see it in many cultures and religions. Leave behind all of your past, release all you hold dear and precious and simply be. Much easier said than done. Can you leave behind your possessions, some could, what about your family? friends? loved ones if they are not willing to give up all?

I don't understand leaving ones family as a means for enlightenment. Can you help me understand this?

You would have to walk with me on my Path with my family. Doing what my parents/siblings wanted me to do would never have led me to where I am today. The dramas that are created and habitually draining on a family can be seriously counter productive to Enlightenment. This could be its own topic and I do not want to derail this one.

Also, remember that if anyone had "ALL" the money in the world, it would be completely worthless. Society would find an alternate form of currency for power and whomever had all that money could burn it to save on heating costs.

Well there is the story of Tesla and his supposed WiFi energy thing but his investor J P Morgan who was also really into copper said if he can't put a meter on it he's not doing it and his lab mysteriously burned down. There's that documentary Race to Zero Point where it shows a bunch of inventors and engineers who came up with interesting contraptions that basically captured free energy from their movements and if the concept was utitlized by the major industries and money was invested to apply these ideas on a industrial level we'd have a whole different world. I mean just think about those guys in their garage who came up with high MPG engines and how they were shut down by the men in black, or their patents were bought out and are sitting in some basement somewhere.

Most doctors are not nearly caught up on the advances of nutrition studies either and when faced with all the modern diseases we have most people are just getting sold down the river in my opinion. All the newly discovered compounds and chemicals in everyday foods that can for sure help defend and prevent things like cancer, but also could show to be more effective than the pharmaceutical approaches. Awhile ago a lot of the university level studies and ciriculum relating to natural medicine was thrown out in favor of what we have now: fulfillment of the drug market for the pharmaceutical petrochemical cartels. It's not all bad and of course our advances in pain management, surgery and scanning technologies I think are proven to be worthy. There are also many quacks and snake oil salesmen in the alternative health movements that distract from a lot of the real interesting stuff that will just get ignored by modern medicine. Problem though was the lobbying and greasing palms by the industry that influenced and took over the medical universities. Interesting relationship between the Rockefeller's and all of this, not to mention education in general.

So basically I think that the wealth and power that's tied into education, science, technology is vehemently defending the status quo and the most obvious is the oil and energy industry. You know there are thousands of independent tinkerers and inventors coming up with all kinds of stuff, but they don't have the millions of dollars to get their work into being studied or patented. And when they try the industry comes along and shuts them down by denying them and then stealing their ideas and patenting it on their own.

When it comes to life extension have ya'll seen the movie The Island with ObiWan and Scarlett Johanson, incredible movie that I think shows a lot of potential. Basically if you're super filthy rich you can pay money to this company that will clone you, at your current age, and harvest your clone for whatever organ you may need or help with whatever the problem is. They basically grow these clones and before birth they hold them under these screens that imprint them with mental images and memories to think the world ended and everything outside is contaminated, they don't know they're clones. Then there is a lottery where a clone will win a trip to the island where it is free of contamination and they get to live how they want, but really they are just going to be harvested and killed. Lots of symbolism in there relating to this thread. They say they are well on the way to cloning humans, they are already harvesting aborted babies at Planned Parenthood, the whole stem cell thing, but best believe any of the great stuff that comes out of this will not be available for the plebs.

SORRY but it's really quite simple. Money is power. Power rules. Power corrupts. It's not fair. It never will be. Big fish eat little fish. Keep out of the way of big fish. Accept the reality. Do the best you can. Lover those around you and breed good people. Hope for the best from evolution. Be happy.

Caesar was assassinated by his own people and Alexander the Great died from the same disease anyone of his peasants could get. Money doesn't save you from thr inevitable while it may make your life more pleasurable by your standards. No amount of money could clean a soul and you can't cheat death no matter how much money you pour on your matters. Unless the Grim Reaper really wants floor seats to the next Lakers game you're pretty much screwed.

A lot of the power given by wealth is freedom of ones time firstly!! Not having to work would be revolutionary to peoples lives. But then additionally with more wealth you can get access to more time - by having a capacity to employ others.

So through increasing ones capability (power) by employing others to work for you in concurrent activity/work, means they can achieve things others cannot do in the same timeframes. That is not a bad thing in of itself I don't think, unless the argument is some nature of socialism (which is another kettle of fish AFAIK).

I think the capitalist 'system' is a work in progress to support that growth in peoples power. With more power means more iterations of activity can be explored which means regulatory complexity increases to define/support the differences in the broader social and legal context. But the problem of increasing complexity is that access to its details are only available to those who have that capacity to leverage enough power in finding the most efficient lawful ways to operate. Then of course those same people with that level of power to fully take advantage of the system suddenly understand the system to an extent which rivals the capacity of the law to monitor and enforce it - which means yes it does become vulnerable to abuse at levels which theoretically could be impossible for a single person to uncover and understand, on their own, in one lifetime. So in effect, the government is the entity who's job it is to track down and reveal high end abuse of wealth..... unless you consider industrial espionage - but then it assumes the corporations undertaking those activities have good intentions. Whether a government has good intentions is another issue
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But over-all I do not think wealth corrupts people, it just offers them things they might not have considered in the past and thus reveals their true nature. Anyway that is how I see it, but I think its mostly limited to the finance sector at this stage which is basically invisible - and not really in other industries so much, else we'd likely see the footprint on the ground in physical facilities and services etc.

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Djavik wrote: If your above these laws and have night infinite resource realms of science ordinarily taboo or illegal become viable...maybe for example stem cell research. As such seemingly impossible technologies would be available to only the most wealthy and cunning.

So you really wanted the focus to be on this part of it then?

to be honest I'm not even sure anymore. I really juse wondered if one human being or a series could live forever because of devision of resources. It started out like a silly idea that I never meant to be conspiratorial...but in the end maybe to many hypotheticals. I don't really like where this whole topic went to be honest...

den385 wrote:
As of science.

If you're serious - IMO, it's better to just go read popular books on bioinformatics, biology and modern sociology of the elites. There is no faster way.

If you are not serious, well, then -

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I'm really not even sure anymore. I believe I'm really liVing in a fantasy world with this one. Too many hypotheticals. I really wodered if it is possible but it came off cynical and I apologize.