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When is it enough?
And while savings rates have ticked up post-recession, American households still save far less than those in a host of other developed countries across the pond, including Italy, Spain, and France.
So what gives? Why do Americans tend to head to the mall instead of saving their hard-earned dollars for a rainy day?
A lot of it has to do with culture and government, believe it or not. Unlike institutions in Europe and other places that encouraged savings back in the day with things like postal savings banks, the U.S. government rarely nurtured saving habits, according to Princeton history professor Sheldon Garon, who recently released his book Beyond Our Means: Why America Spends While the World Saves.
Save for a few moments in history when saving and frugality were stressed--during the World Wars, and some initiatives in the 1800s to establish small savings banks--a concerted effort to get Americans to save more hasn't been a hallmark of our financial culture.
"The rest of the world tends to have very accessible savings institutions and the core European economies also very strictly regulate credit to protect people from becoming overindebted," Garon says, adding that in countries such as Germany and Italy, most borrowers have to pay off their entire credit card balance each month. "You try to explain to them that all you have to do is pay 2 percent minimum of the balance on your credit card and they look at you like you're from another planet."
Here in the United States, the economy virtually lives and dies by the availability of credit. When it's cut off--as consumers and businesses experienced after the Great Recession--the economy grinds to a halt. The severity of the Great Recession has made greasing the cogs of America's credit-based economy more difficult, but we really have no one to blame but ourselves, Garon says.
Instead of promoting saving, over the years public policy and savvy commercial banks have made borrowing money increasingly cheap and easy, especially throughout the 1980s and 1990s when credit card borrowing, home equity lines of credit, and subprime mortgage lending exploded.
The feast before the famine, as it were.
"Americans reached a point in the 1990s and early 2000 when most people said, 'Why would you want to save up for something when you could get the money virtually for free by borrowing,'" Garon says. "That's us."
Americans have pulled back a bit from their borrowing binge after being burned by the implosion of financial markets, but with so much of the economy's recovery dependent on consumer spending, some experts worry that American households could easily fall back into old bad habits: overborrowing and overspending.
As the economic recovery (hopefully) gains more ground this year, experts say boosting personal saving is key to helping American households better weather financial shocks. "School savings banks and postal savings banks seem antiquated now, but we should focus our energy on devising modern-day, higher-tech equivalents," the Urban Institute's Gregory Mills wrote in a recent blog post.
But that could be putting the cart before the horse a bit, given Americans still have more than a trillion dollars of outstanding debt to dig out from under.
"That digging out process may go on for years and years," Garon says. "You've got a lot of people who are seriously in debt, and now they want to get out of debt so they're trying to pay it down, but for lower and middle-income households, it's very difficult to make much progress."
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I make what my state considers to be a livable wage, and yet find myself going through constant financial struggles because the price of goods and services continues. It seems to be a trend that the moment things begin to stabilize financially, businesses will rack up prices in order to put things out of reach once again.
I own next to nothing, all of my possessions could fit in a backpack. I am a minimalist by necessity, I had to get rid of much of what I owned during a stint of homelessness, and the desire to fill my life with excess never came back to the degree it was before, which puts me in conflict with much of the culture in my country.
I get nihilistic at times though, because there are some things I would like to have or experience, that I know I will not be able to in a time frame that I find acceptable. My workplace is a fifteen minute drive, but since I take the bus that is about a 2 hour trip one way, owning a car is beyond my financial means and will be so for the foreseeable future.
My life seems to be entirely circled around work and debt, I have no time or even ability to pursue my own interests or passions.
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I make what my state considers to be a livable wage, and yet find myself going through constant financial struggles because the price of goods and services continues. It seems to be a trend that the moment things begin to stabilize financially, businesses will rack up prices in order to put things out of reach once again.
I own next to nothing, all of my possessions could fit in a backpack. I am a minimalist by necessity, I had to get rid of much of what I owned during a stint of homelessness, and the desire to fill my life with excess never came back to the degree it was before, which puts me in conflict with much of the culture in my country.
I get nihilistic at times though, because there are some things I would like to have or experience, that I know I will not be able to in a time frame that I find acceptable. My workplace is a fifteen minute drive, but since I take the bus that is about a 2 hour trip one way, owning a car is beyond my financial means and will be so for the foreseeable future.
My life seems to be entirely circled around work and debt, I have no time or even ability to pursue my own interests or passions.
yep....i know exactly what you mean...the poor get poorer, while the rich get richer....my job is a 45 minute drive, and there is no public transit to get there, my car got hydro locked in a flood and needs a new motor which would be cheaper than buying a new car yet both are beyond my financial means....i have horrible credit courtesy of medical bills accrued during extended unemployment....before the recession i had enough money saved in the bank to pay my bills and be comfortable for 3months, then i got laid off....the savings vanished into bills, my thriftiness managed to stretch it from 3 months to 5, but unemployment lasted considerably longer...now i work for the state and while i can pay the bills , i don't make enough to climb out of the hole...
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Now, I'm sitting at about 1.5k in debt. It's not as much as some of us, I know, but at my income level with a baby on the way, it's a lot. I don't even want to think about the medical bills after she's delivered. Makes me wish I'd known what I do now back then, but at the same time, spending was how I was raised. I needed the lesson it provided.
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im still looking for steady job that i can do with the full time academic schedule, and having a vehicle makes a big difference
my judgement was that a ride, especially one i can sleep in when i have to, is better than a home since i didnt (dont) have the money for both
theres a gym near my mother's place (who is kind enough to let me get a shower and sleep on her floor a couple times a week) which has 10 dollar a month plan, also the campus has a fitness room and locker/shower room
even having a couple semesters of community college, statistically raises your yearly income by several thousand in the usa, although exact numbers require a bunch of specific details not going to get into here
but basically if you havent ever recieved financial aid then you are eligible for it if you choose to go to school
i dont know if thats even an option for you but if so then its worth really honestly considering
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Im guessing this thread asking for advice.. I hate giving advice on this topic when its not asked for because it feels like it sounds pompous, but its just said from personal experience to assist where applicable. Every persons situation is unique so I don't mean to imply anything by stating how I approached this issue.
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Kohadre wrote: My life seems to be entirely circled around work and debt, I have no time or even ability to pursue my own interests or passions.
Welcome to the jungle baby!
I live in a country where the tax rate on products reaches 200%, where there is no sulficiente work for everyone, where his life and success are based on numbers; the number of cars you have, houses, travels that you made, and how many digits you have in your bank account.
I often feel frustrated, my life did not go as I planned; I do not have work and I had to change my course in college. I'm 25 years old, I'm not graduate, I do not have a car, I not even habilitation to drive one and I live in a house borrowed by my family. But you know, if you live that platonic love, that EROS (Greek), you will live chasing goals and possessions and goods and will never be happy, because the platonic love which this capitalist society took as a pillar, works like this: you love what you want, and you want what you don't have, there is no way want what you have and when you achive this you no longer have more desire for this, consequently no longer loves it. It is much better to have joy at what you have, the Aristotelian love called PHILIA (Greek), along with some EROS, because the desire guide you to achieve goals and go ahead, it's necessary too, and some AGAPE (Greek) , love preached by Jesus, where there is a related sacrifice (as when your younger sister cries because her ice cream fell on the ground and you give yours for her). Forget thinking only in possessions, live this life so "crazy" that when the time comes to join the Force, you can say "it was a wonderful life"

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Adder wrote: I'm pretty well off now, but when I was 21 I was out of work, living in a closet sized rented room (welfare) and trying to get night cleaning jobs at railway stations. I knew a few people worse off then me, but none of my school friends went down my path. Luckily I had a stable family but I smooched of them as a teenager so I sort of naturally did not hassle them as an adult, and they were quick to downsize and move away anyway
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Im guessing this thread asking for advice.. I hate giving advice on this topic when its not asked for because it feels like it sounds pompous, but its just said from personal experience to assist where applicable. Every persons situation is unique so I don't mean to imply anything by stating how I approached this issue.
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I too was once in this situation. I worked two and sometimes three different part time jobs to keep my family fed. I was given similar advice as Adder has given here, and hustled for several years; working smart, not hard, and have pulled myself up to a decent livestyle. Reliability and honesty are definitely the two best qualities to get you ahead!
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The most common thing is seeing companies look at the data for what people are currently paying, and when the new thing comes out, up the price a little bit more, make it just within what they are willing to pay but stretched, then continue to do that over years, and bam you have today's economy.
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Tellahane wrote: I'm trying to find the link to the source where I read it(it was like 8 months ago I read it) but the cost of the ipad I think to make was like $76 manufacturer cost labor parts included, sold for like $450 or so...cause ya know that makes sense.
The most common thing is seeing companies look at the data for what people are currently paying, and when the new thing comes out, up the price a little bit more, make it just within what they are willing to pay but stretched, then continue to do that over years, and bam you have today's economy.
i always thought it was crazy that the most fundamental items of life, like beds for instance, are so dang expensive, not always because of how difficult they are to make byt because of how much we need them (or just want them)
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