Core and aspirational values

I think Adder and I were both talking about the neurological processing that the brain does automatically when we talked about habits.

And from a Martial perspective its the same thing. Why do we drill the same technique over and over? So that both muscle and mind deploy it automatically without having to employ conscious process.

That is however where awareness, mindfulness does play a role. The only way to change an automatic habit, whether its a daily physical thing or a thought pattern, is awareness of the habit, its triggers and interrupting the pattern.

Forgive me if I seem a little lost... I'll have to go back and look at what I wrote. :blush: This is really not my area of expertise.

there is a link between neuro and psycho but there is also a distinction imo

but this creates a "what came first?" loop

still - it is common cannon that babies and childrens brains work better

my conclusion is that they dont work better they just have more work to do

theyre in a constant psychological state of "wtf?" lol

they dont have any habbits, routines OR procedures

the way i understand it, even though the term "habbit" is used in training ("we dont want to teach any bad habbits") this is not perfectly correct

a habbit would be to treat all incoming punches like a left hook

or to respond to every attack with a left hook

or to unthinkingly throw a left hook every hour on the hour

procedure is marked and determined by spefic criteria which, even if worked to the point that it can be invoked so as to bypass excess deliberation, it is still the result of a free thinking and free flowing consciousness

which requires set criteria to be met in order for any particular procedure to be invoked

it flows so as to adapt to the criteria percieved/observed

the procedural response may become second nature but the response is never intended to be evoked outside of its proper context

whereas habbits have a way of being hard to break even when they are quite obviously not appropriate

I've been thinking it over, and I rendered my core values as a Venn diagram. The Primary virtues are on the outside, secondaries and tertiaries where they overlap.

This is just me, not meant as a prescription for anyone else. I also regard it as a work in progress.

Yes defining what is meant by core values in the OP has been difficult for me.

As an individual I have core values. Concepts I have at the core of my being. Some of those beliefs may come from the way I was raised or via the structures of society. Some of those beliefs are chosen.

In addition to determining whether or not a person can fulfill a function, some employers screen in such a way to find about an individual's core beliefs and some do not in order to get a sense of alignment.

I may have a core value of the practice of honesty and the company I work for may have practices that don't break law, but interferes with what I consider honest. Now the companies's practices and my core values are out of alignment. They may know me as a loyal employee, but have no idea that honesty to me is beyond cash register honesty.

Core values of a company are often the X many things that put together by an HR team to keep the masses moving in the same direction and with which to form a consistency of communication and maybe even incorporate in the review scheme.

Then there are the core values within one's department, units . . . . . and yes there is a set for top management that is written nowhere.

I am always examining and re-examining my core values and whether or not they are in alignment with a friend, a social group, a place of employment, even with family members.

Honestly, I don't know how habit fits into this topic . . . . . so I will try to read those related posts again.

i took us off on a tangent with the respons on routine habbit and procedure

although it could be suggested that the desire for socialization may lead to habbits which could result in acting contrary to what we would like our core values to be

on that note, the process of betraying the principles we like to identify with as a result of fear or social pressure is potentially one of the most maturing experiences one can have, once we've cleared the fallout lol

I've been sitting on this (Mostly because I have had a fever all week >_<) But also because I truly can't think beyond one core value for myself....That is: "Motherhood"

I find that....Of everything....I do the Mother thing rather well in the offline gathering groups im often called the "Jedi Mom"

I fail and suck at alot of things. I am not at all the brightest crayon in the box and really really suck at communication. I always end up relaying the wrong impression and getting everything 50 shades of off track from my origional intent.

But what I can do is be a good mom. Be compassionate when someone needs a shoulder to cry on. Slap them upside the head when they need a bit of motivation. At gatherings I am always the one cooking, cleaning, rushing folks to the workshops on schedual, last year I even did peoples laundry lol.....When it comes to my offline core values. Its to be a mom.

Which seems rather....weak and simple but...its me.

Actually Kitsu, I think youll find several values just in what you said. I think Motherhood is a function, and by that I mean that were not talking about what you DO but who you ARE, the reason you do what you do. And there are values within that, for example, in what youve described in your activities at gatherings, wouldnt service be a value. You use what skills you have to make things easier for others. Perhaps, its caring thats the value in both being a mother and being of service?

And compassion certainly is a value, as is the dedication with which you tend your jedi archives. You have many core values Kitsu, we all do. And many more aspirational ones I would suspect.



Mareeka, welcome back my dear, always a pleasure to see you.
Habit, is a fundamental support system of values, particularly ones that are aspirational. For example, tolerance is an aspirational value of mine. But it does not come naturally, its something I have to implement consistently, and through the repetition of doing it, and analyzing my triggers carefully when I dont, I lay the foundation for my psychology to accept that value as automatic "programning"

Values are little more than well entrenched beliefs (habitual thought loops) that create the framework of our perception and responses. Powerful stuff when you start to explore it.

Kitsu Tails wrote: I fail and suck at alot of things. I am not at all the brightest crayon in the box and really really suck at communication.

Which seems rather....weak and simple but...its me.

forgive me if i am presumptuous

the healthy side of self criticism is the aspirational values/goals mentioned here

without those goals there would be no criticism
so its not really apporpriate for people to be overly forward with each other regarding self criticism and aspirations, especially in a way which says "youre fine youre perfect theres no need to grow" or other such things

and im still new here and often have my own communication issues to contend with

all this being said, i have noticed that at times you are very hard on yourself

im not attempting to tell you whats right or wrong for you to do

i AM saying that its possible to have high hopes and also gentle critiques

and its an odd inversion i have noticed that some of the most outwardly nurturing people find it so very difficult to be inwardly nurturing - self nurturing

fear of crossing the line into selfishness

its ok to nurture yourself too

i apologize if my comments are out of line

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the question thats on my mind is "what is the most effective way of internalizing an aspirational value so that it ultimately functions as a core value?"

Kitsu Tails wrote:

When it comes to my offline core values. Its to be a mom. Which seems rather....weak and simple but...its me.

"mother is the name of god on the lips and hearts of children" -the crow-

there is no greater value than that of a mother.

everyone fails at something eventually...

"i have not failed a thousand times, i've simply found a thousand ways that will not work" -thomas edison-