What is your take on religion

the seeking of intellectual and spiritual growth is what every practicing humans goals are

Orion, I'm pretty sure this is entirely unsubstantiated.

Maybe it's what you think the goals SHOULD be.

Unfortunately, there is no plan. Your desire for there to be one is your own demon. Why thrust it on others? What fuels that fire?

bowenc1994 wrote:

Orion Seraphim wrote: We like to wait and watch things evolve rather than go in and handle it head on intelligently as we should. Instead we continue to use each other as examples for our future selves as to what not to do. When in reality the condition of species as it is now is already enough to use as a reference for our future. It's now time to take over but yet they are all still to scared of the idea of dying for the sake of progressing others.

Of course they are scared of dying for the sake of progressing others. If they have no religion, no belief of an afterlife or their energy going back in to the Earth, why would they waste their life? I do not understand your logic, friend.

Okay reverse what you said about having a religion. Pretend religion didn't exist and all the good beliefs of religion was based at first glance of "The Human Race". It is not religion that has structured our morality it is being a human that has, it is our brain and common sense that has. So why have a religion i.e. something that usually keeps people away from other people. If the whole thing is entirely that of humanity. Religion doesn't create unity, being a human does.

So why do we need to have a religion? if you look back at another reply you'l see that i say "the model religion is in bringing a community and collaboration". But this political structure was used back in the day before we became more intelligent, now that we are allot more intelligent it is clear to see, that it does nothing but influence others (through radicalism and miscommunciation) to destroy, their for it isnt neccesary to intergrate it within our species. It's not the religions fault, it is the people, but regardless the religion is involved and yet they get no consequences for those in which the violence was influenced by.

If this is the case, then religion needs to live outside of common society because it does nothing but hold everyoen else at a stand still and creates controversy. Their for it needs to be a nation or community of its own with its own military etc...This is what i'm trying to say, religion is not humanity religion is a disruption to humanity until it detaches its self from us. Other than that, the idea of living any other way accept that in which progresses humanity is an opposition and puts us at risk for failure. This is the only reason (since the Iraq war that i have analyzed) why we go to war, because their is a disruptive nation in which we as humans are responsible for regardless and the only thing causing this disruption is the belief of people (their religion) who feel that they should live in a certain way other than that of the progression of our species.

This is why i also called it a club because the only way a religion should be accepted as is a club. Any refusal than you are a nation of your own and you are then put in a position to defend yourself against whats accepted from the act of progressing humanity. The only reason a nation invades another is because the invaded are committing crimes against humanity but still as i said before, we try to do things intelligently but we cant because they are committing crimes against humanity. Why else would you always hear in the news that the UN is thinking about participating in a battle but a majority of the time they don't because they like to see things evolve.


What im saying is, this is an absolute waste of time, their is nothing else we can learn from. I understand religion gives people faith but that faith isn't made from the religion it's made from the collaboration of humans and if that's the case, you need to stick to human efforts and not efforts associated with any other name. Because it is not religion that brings humans together, it is humans that bring humans together.

Like i said it is a strict discipline way of seeing these things. Religion no longer holds value when we have proven to ourselves that it is we that create hope and not religion. Anything else as far as ideas after death can be studied through metaphysics and on all religions beliefs of the after life. It is all theoretical until experienced but at least the idea of metaphysics doesn't ask to hold you barred in one way of living, it expresses an idea and not a way of living this is why i touched Scientology earlier but it does the same thing but most commercial scientologists don't get that. Their for why associate yourself with a group of people who cant function on the same page.

Connor Lidell wrote:

the seeking of intellectual and spiritual growth is what every practicing humans goals are

Orion, I'm pretty sure this is entirely unsubstantiated.

Maybe it's what you think the goals SHOULD be.

Unfortunately, there is no plan. Your desire for there to be one is your own demon. Why thrust it on others? What fuels that fire?

because without a plan we put our survival at risk. It's common sense...their is no other way i can say that. Im not thrusting this on others, your the one participating in this thread.

In regards to putting our survival at risk, this is not entirely true but it is for those who already have no chance at living like other 3rd world countries where their economy cant sustain the amount of people they have. Again it is a human effort that changes the world not the effort of a religion.

The truly religious do not embrace a religion; those who embrace one have no religion.

Kahlil Gibran

Orion, I think the problem I'm having is that I honestly don't understand what you're asking (or if you are even asking something), or what are you trying to say.

Do you have a specific question?

Were you just looking for others to share their thoughts?

Are you trying to convince us of something?

Br. John wrote: The truly religious do not embrace a religion; those who embrace one have no religion.

Kahlil Gibran

Yes i like that but without the common thought of the word religion. Because of this common thought i don't like to use that word. Wise words, however wisdom does apply in different aspects and based on what im getting from this message, these words were probably constructed from studying some kind of Buddhism or Mysticism.

Naya wrote: Orion, I think the problem I'm having is that I honestly don't understand what you're asking (or if you are even asking something), or what are you trying to say.

Do you have a specific question?

Were you just looking for others to share their thoughts?

Are you trying to convince us of something?

Yes
What is your take on religion. I'm asking based on the common thought of religion not the open ended verse of it as you have expressed earlier. Because when you say religion to most of society they think Christianity or Jesus or something like that not a set of personal beliefs. This is why i asked you to explain more....

Why are you asking us this?

To learn something?

Or to debate your conclusion that it is a waste of time because of your own observations (filtered through your own perceptions, just like the rest of us) and convince us?

Are you sure we're not talking about something such as dogma?

You seem have an awful lot to say here about this, but I'm not sure much has really been said.

Orion Seraphim wrote:

Naya wrote: Orion, I think the problem I'm having is that I honestly don't understand what you're asking (or if you are even asking something), or what are you trying to say.

Do you have a specific question?

Were you just looking for others to share their thoughts?

Are you trying to convince us of something?

Yes
What is your take on religion. I'm asking based on the common thought of religion not the open ended verse of it as you have expressed earlier. Because when you say religion to most of society they think Christianity or Jesus or something like that not a set of personal beliefs. This is why i asked you to explain more....

Well I have explained my take on religion. You perceive that most of society feels religion means Christianity, but this is not true in my experience. Most of society understands that Christianity is only one religion.

What more would you like me to explain?

Naya wrote:

Orion Seraphim wrote:

Naya wrote: Orion, I think the problem I'm having is that I honestly don't understand what you're asking (or if you are even asking something), or what are you trying to say.

Do you have a specific question?

Were you just looking for others to share their thoughts?

Are you trying to convince us of something?

Yes
What is your take on religion. I'm asking based on the common thought of religion not the open ended verse of it as you have expressed earlier. Because when you say religion to most of society they think Christianity or Jesus or something like that not a set of personal beliefs. This is why i asked you to explain more....

Well I have explained my take on religion. You perceive that most of society feels religion means Christianity, but this is not true in my experience. Most of society understands that Christianity is only one religion.

What more would you like me to explain?

re-read what i said.