What is your take on religion

Through my years of studying religion; personally i feel that religion is such a waste of time. It is such a primitive way to structure communities of people. It obviously worked back when our species was un-intelligent to the world around us (excluding the torture involved in any religion). But now it does nothing but hold our progression back. It still is a clever way to get people together and collaborate but it infringes on the progression of our species simply because your getting people (humans of one species) to choose a side against all others (their own species). Im not saying this in a radical sense (as in terrorists and jihad) but regardless their is only one belief and that is that we exist and all that we do affects each other either emotionally or physically. Were blank canvases and what we do affects the future in some way (that is not even a belief its a proven fact).

I have been researching for the past years asking the question if humanity has a game plan and unsurprisingly we don't. You believe that!, us?; these gods of planet earth, these intelligently designed species don't have goals as a species, as a whole. It's crazy we are literally practicing what Einstien said best "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" (exclude any conspiracy thought in regards to war and money, those are actually systems we need to move forward as blurry as they may seem to some). Our species literally keeps practicing things that aren't moving us backwards but are keeping us at a halt (in some ways, im not speaking towards biological engineers, robotics pro's etccc who are Christians or whatever. They obviously move us forward despite their beliefs.)


What i'm trying to say here is; I have realized that religion is a stand still subject whether your Buddhist or Christian because it does nothing else but create a system of beliefs and a community of people to associate with when the belifes and the community of people is your species its self. I personally feel that if their has to be a religion they have to move away from the progression of humanity and live among themselves rather among those who choose not to think in one way. As open minded as a religion try's to be, no matter how hard it tries it will never be open minded because it is a religion, it's naturally designed to think in one way (this includes atheism as well because they deliberately challenge other religions, work towards the one way thinking and this fact puts them in the list of a religion). I have yet to find a religion that is structured in a way that thinks other wise, other than the idea of Scientology because it teaches communication, metaphysical and other neat philosophical and ideological things but at it's core a majority of the people are arrogant bastards. It's like they put full belief in the law of attraction. I found that Scientologists are attracted to the idea of what it teaches but don't listen to the teachings.




Religion; an old model for minds who have yet to discover themselves and their surroundings.

One definition for religion is: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

This is the definition that I feel that Jediism falls into as a religion. It's a religion based on belief and faith in the Force, the constant seeking of knowledge, spiritual growth and being of service to others. I fail to see how this is a waste of time or somehow limiting me in some way.

Not all religions are created equally. I believe that our lives and dedication should define our religion, rather than being defined by our religion, but that's me.

I was force-fed Christianity growing up, and at around the age of twelves I began to question it. I read the Bible 3 times taking notes and trying to believe since everyone I knew believed, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I began to question when I asked what happened to the people before Christianity existed and I could never get a straight answer. I became an atheist soon after. I read the Quran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon and saw some good lessons to be learned in the first two but not a religion I wanted to follow. I couldn't take the Book of Mormon that seriously because it was written in first person. I stopped my spiritual pursuit until I was..17 I believe. I realized that the Divine Energy was within us all at that point and I began to slowly piece together what I believed from there. I discovered this Temple a few months ago and I feel right at home.

Religion's only use in my opinion is to give the masses something to have faith in and feel good about themselves. There aren't many people I have met that are not afraid of death. They want an afterlife to where they will still be who they are here on earth. I feel like it isn't until much later in life (at least here in America) that people would be willing to accept that fact, but by that point they are set in their ways and unlikely to seek the actual truth. I wish I knew how to combat this, but I don't think it's possible. My hope is that each generation a larger group will discover their spirituality and once there is a high percentage it may show the others the way.

Why do you group Buddhism with Christianity and the other main religions? It teaches people to open their minds and seek personal development, not blindly worship a deity that will grant eternal life and happiness to those who follow him.

Naya wrote: One definition for religion is: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

This is the definition that I feel that Jediism falls into as a religion. It's a religion based on belief and faith in the Force, the constant seeking of knowledge, spiritual growth and being of service to others. I fail to see how this is a waste of time or somehow limiting me in some way.

Not all religions are created equally. I believe that our lives and dedication should define our religion, rather than being defined by our religion, but that's me.

Can you explain that more? I'm stuck in this way of thinking (listed above). I have yet to been able to understand the reason to believe in one way of living (based on the idea being associated as a religion). I see the world as one day everyone being very intelligent and where their is no need for such beliefs to pursue because we as gods of our existence can and will create what we need to survive, progress and protect ourselves. To be a part of a fan club deviating away from this plan that all humans follow regardless. That is how i see a religion, small club of people role playing and living that role play. Its the fact that people call themselves a Christian human when in fact, whether you like it or not, your not a christian, your a human, you are this thing that operates a brain and that brain allows you to do things. Why waste your time playing games if you aren't going to take that game to the max. The max being, creating your own nation, your own military, your own currency etc...If you aren't doing that, then you aren't doing anything with yourself but playing a mind game.


A while back i started a thread with the idea of their being an actual Jedi community where people who solely believe in that way to live among themselves because at least in that practice you can develop your own military and trading system, your own education system, your own health methodology, whatever..

What do you want me to explain? I thought I was pretty clear.

You're free to believe whatever you like and I highly doubt anything I say is going to change that. Your mind on the topic seems pretty made up. I can only tell you what I have come to believe through my own experiences in life.

bowenc1994 wrote: I was force-fed Christianity growing up, and at around the age of twelves I began to question it. I read the Bible 3 times taking notes and trying to believe since everyone I knew believed, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I began to question when I asked what happened to the people before Christianity existed and I could never get a straight answer. I became an atheist soon after. I read the Quran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon and saw some good lessons to be learned in the first two but not a religion I wanted to follow. I couldn't take the Book of Mormon that seriously because it was written in first person. I stopped my spiritual pursuit until I was..17 I believe. I realized that the Divine Energy was within us all at that point and I began to slowly piece together what I believed from there. I discovered this Temple a few months ago and I feel right at home.

Religion's only use in my opinion is to give the masses something to have faith in and feel good about themselves. There aren't many people I have met that are not afraid of death. They want an afterlife to where they will still be who they are here on earth. I feel like it isn't until much later in life (at least here in America) that people would be willing to accept that fact, but by that point they are set in their ways and unlikely to seek the actual truth. I wish I knew how to combat this, but I don't think it's possible. My hope is that each generation a larger group will discover their spirituality and once there is a high percentage it may show the others the way.

Why do you group Buddhism with Christianity and the other main religions? It teaches people to open their minds and seek personal development, not blindly worship a deity that will grant eternal life and happiness to those who follow him.

I say this because it seems that a majority of them don't see this and whether these people like it or not when someone kills others or themselves in the name of their religion they are martyring themselves against humanity and that religion is entirely responsible for it and yet they are paid no consequences as a whole.

Naya wrote: What do you want me to explain? I thought I was pretty clear.

You're free to believe whatever you like and I highly doubt anything I say is going to change that. Your mind on the topic seems pretty made up. I can only tell you what I have come to believe through my own experiences in life.

Yes but what Jediism attempts to express is exactly what humanities goals should particularly be. Their for Jediism in that belief cannot be a religion in it's self because humans arent jedi's. The only religion Jediism can use is the usage of "The Force". This is what i'm asking you to explain, the seeking of intellectual and spiritual growth is what every practicing humans goals are and if every human does that than that "religion" is not in ownership of it. Because it is humans, it is we who rule not the religion. Its the fact of calling what's common sense a religion.

Think of it like this, religion is another word, progression is a principle and discipline of the human species. The human species isn't a filler word, religion is.

Orion Seraphim wrote:
I say this because it seems that a majority of them don't see this and whether these people like it or not when someone kills others or themselves in the name of their religion they are martyring themselves against humanity and that religion is entirely responsible for it and yet they are paid no consequences as a whole.

I've never heard of a Buddhist murdering another. I'm sure it has happened because we are all human and have a breaking point, but it's the most peaceful religion of the major ones. The only time I know of them killing themselves is when being severely oppressed by their fellow man. This should not happen, and the quality of life would be so crappy I think any of us would do the same.

Care to try again? I'd like to understand where you're coming from. How do you find happiness if you believe in nothing at all? I was not happy the majority of my time as an atheist, and the times I was it was not true happiness.

Edit: Humans aren't Jedis? Then what do you call these men and women of this church? What am I seeking to become, then? What did you mean by that?

bowenc1994 wrote:

Orion Seraphim wrote:
I say this because it seems that a majority of them don't see this and whether these people like it or not when someone kills others or themselves in the name of their religion they are martyring themselves against humanity and that religion is entirely responsible for it and yet they are paid no consequences as a whole.

I've never heard of a Buddhist murdering another. I'm sure it has happened because we are all human and have a breaking point, but it's the most peaceful religion of the major ones. The only time I know of them killing themselves is when being severely oppressed by their fellow man. This should not happen, and the quality of life would be so crappy I think any of us would do the same.

Care to try again? I'd like to understand where you're coming from. How do you find happiness if you believe in nothing at all? I was not happy the majority of my time as an atheist, and the times I was it was not true happiness.

I should have reversed that order, Buddhists have killed themselves, Christians have killed others and each other. What i'm trying to say is, the need to call a way of living a religion is what diverts humans from each other, our beliefs aren't going to stop us from helping each other, but it is going to stop us from deciding to move from a zone of comfort. That comfort being your people of that religion. Your only people are humans not Buddhists or Jedi's, humans and humans alone.

Happiness is within your species not the way of a religion, not the way of the people involved in that religion. Only that of your species. The way of living is that expressed by your species not by a religion. It's the simple fact that you are following a religion against the fact of the living of your species. This is why i called religion a club.

Its all about being strictly disciplined in how you do things. That strict discipline is that only of your species not a way of believing in how you feel comfortable living and associated it with anything other than the words Human. It's is human, YOU ARE HUMAN, not jedi, not christian, not budhst but human! and human only. Until you can accomplish that which a Jedi can naturally do, you are a Jedi but once it is integrated among all of humanity, you are no longer a jedi, you are a human.

How is happiness only within our species? What does that say of our relationships with the rest of the animal kingdom? I love my cat and it's obvious she cares for me. We bring each other happiness.