4th grade science quiz...could you pass it?

HAHA, its one thing being tested on a religion, but calling it a Science test :huh:

Learn_To_Know wrote: Hmmm...I'm not so sure about that. I don't have the stats in front of me (nor do I want to look them up, haha, just a casual conversation here), but I would think it is only a minority of children that actually break the mold and leave the religion they grew up with (which is good and bad depending on who you ask).

It took me well into adulthood to finally start thinking for myself and break the mold. I'm not sure if that's an indictment for or against my reasoning skills, haha.

Maybe, but it seems all kids try and rebel at some point...and that could lead to seeing different ways of thinking and living. I know that a great majority of my Wiccan/Pagan friends were raised in different religions than the one they picked.

Of course, I agree that some things probably just stick with ya. I know my dad's Constitution lessons haven't left my brain...though I don't think I'd want them to leave lol. Knowing the law is probably a good thing.

My daughter has friends that are taught similar things and it distresses her that they believe this and confront her about it. Needless to say we have had a few talks about this and several other subjects.

First, I remind her that people are going to believe how they are taught if they are not allowed to decide for themselves. I also remind her that the Bible is compiled of several books that were a series of stories passed down verbally until someone was able to write them down. Then they were copied and copied, by hand. Many of the stories that were used to spread the message of the Christian faith were/are parables and not actual events… so is it not possible for things to be figurative and not literal? After all, isn’t it the meaning behind the message and not the message which is important?

And remember, as we judge others, they are looking back and judging us.

I lost a bet a while back because when I was in school, we were taught that the Earth’s core was solid iron. Now, they are taught that it is a kind of liquid. Information changes all the time. What we knew yesterday turns out to be a laughable joke tomorrow. Rather than having children to memorize a lot of stuff, I wish schools “taught” children to think. And not just form their own opinions and stuff, but critical thinking skills and out of the box problem solving and how to discover answers for themselves.

Akkarin wrote: snopes.com has been unable to verify whether it is real or not. The issue I have with it is that somehow the father didn't know about the content being taught at all before the test? Perhaps not...

But the sophistication and accuracy of all the answers for a 4 year old is quite good... leading one to believe that it is fake...

The fact that GOD!!! and BIBLE!!! are so different would make me believe that the child is devout and so would have made mention to the family. There is no mention of a mother so it makes me think that there is only 1 parent who would probably keep up to date with what the child was doing...

Those words are also the most fundamentalist and highlighting them like this (if you wanted to provoke a reaction and were faking it) would explain why they are so radically different...

I think this is someone trying to get creationism banned from being taught in schools...

I don't believe this is real...

You have a point, Akkarin. This could be fake. I'll point out though that many of us have had first-hand encounters with people of this sort of 'education'. Also, the student is not a 4 year-old, but a fourth grade student in America - a primary school student of about 10 years-old.

The GOD !!! and BIBLE !!! answers as such, make me think of a Sunday school I went to when I was really small (in about that 4-5 year range) where we did answer questions that had prompted answers like that. We must have seen things like this before too. Questions posed where all the little children cry out the same answer. There is a bit of the Asch effect going on here too. If a child is drilled enough in this way, then that is possibly how the answer could come out on a 'test'. The answer would not have any other clear rhetorical form except the exclamation. (of course, I'm just guessing ...)

Albeit I agree with you about what one would think the parent should know about the child's school, there are any number of reasons why the father might be aghast at this. A single parent, perhaps, but that implies another parent (in many cases, not all) ... perhaps the mother enrolled the child in this particular school ? We don't know. What is important to retain here is that these schools exist. These beliefs exist.

If they truly are beliefs (cf. Watts).

Although I do not like the idea of having to enact a 'ban', I do feel that it is unwise to teach creationism in schools. We know that it is false. We do not offer a spheroid-Earth theory or a flat-Earth theory choice either. And we make a difference between astrology and astronomy. Nor do we allow barbers to do surgery any more ...

Alexandre Orion wrote: Although I do not like the idea of having to enact a 'ban', I do feel that it is unwise to teach creationism in schools. We know that it is false.

To be fair, do we actually know?

Alex, you're right about 4th Grade, I meant to put 4th grade rather than 4 year old, that just kind of helps my point anyway lol

Wendaline, whether creationism is true or not is irrelevant:

"Not that anybody asked, but I object to religion in science classrooms not because it's religion but because it's not science." - Neil deGrasse Tyson

As Wescli said, science teaches us lots of stuff that's wrong, because it is an ever evolving subject where information gets out of date over time because we have better information...

My ex-physics teacher had to have her university course changed when they discovered that the neutrino had a mass...

If we discover that creationism is scientific fact i.e. it provides the best explanation for how the world works, then it will be taught as scientific fact...

You can teach creationism in a religious education class, but not a science class...

I wasn't saying we should teach it. I was just pointing out that we really don't know.

We get all upset over these things, but some people treat science as a religion. And as you said, science is wrong many of the times.

I guess it's a matter of priority and perspective. Most people would rank science as a higher importance than religion and the bible's stories. Other people rank them in reverse. I might not like that a religious school teaches children "faulty" science...but who am I to judge? My own science background will prove to be faulty sooner or later.

I guess what I would wait and see is how these kids interact with the world. A open mind and friendly demeanor, I would say, is more important than science or religion...and both science kids and religious kids can be as equally mean or nice.