What Do You Want?

I don't believe I want anything from TOTJO. I take from the lessons what I feel is applicable to me and the teachings. This is not a path for me, but simply a door to walk through.

RM

Phortis Nespin wrote: What do I want from religion...

"I have no religion, I am a Jedi, My philosophy is the balance of all things in life, and to treat everyone with kindness and compassion."

What do I want from this religion...

Being a Jedi does not require a religion.

To quote a movie line...

"The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

I believe this quote was said as an insult to the Jedi in which Tarkin was saying that, after all that the Jedi teach, all that's left is the evil of Vader.

What do I want from what religion would be my question back to you.

That is a very good qustion. I'm not being evasive when saying this but I'm not sure. I'm still pondering the question myself, that's why I asked.

Jedism is a religion, people are attracted to it for a reason. I'm undecided about Jedism. I feel the energy all around us and everthing connecting to everything else just not sure about this place yet.

No offence intended but you're a Knight in this Religion yet you say you need not religion?

Archon wrote: I don't believe I want anything from TOTJO. I take from the lessons what I feel is applicable to me and the teachings. This is not a path for me, but simply a door to walk through.

RM

If you are taking something then it must be satisfying a desire.

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Phortis Nespin wrote: What do I want from religion...

"I have no religion, I am a Jedi, My philosophy is the balance of all things in life, and to treat everyone with kindness and compassion."

What do I want from this religion...

Being a Jedi does not require a religion.

To quote a movie line...

"The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

I believe this quote was said as an insult to the Jedi in which Tarkin was saying that, after all that the Jedi teach, all that's left is the evil of Vader.

What do I want from what religion would be my question back to you.

That is a very good qustion. I'm not being evasive when saying this but I'm not sure. I'm still pondering the question myself, that's why I asked.

Jedism is a religion, people are attracted to it for a reason. I'm undecided about Jedism. I feel the energy all around us and everthing connecting to everything else just not sure about this place yet.

No offence intended but you're a Knight in this Religion yet you say you need not religion?

Not everyone here follows Jediism as a religion. There are quite a number of members here who simply see it as a philosophy and path...

Jedi define religion as:

re·li·gion (n)

A set of beliefs, values, and practices; a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion; a system of thought, feeling, and action that is shared by a group and that gives the members a code of behavior by which those individuals may judge the personal and social consequences of their actions; also a frame of reference by which individuals may relate to their group, their universe and The Force.

Definition of PHILOSOPHY

1
a (1) : all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts (2) : the sciences and liberal arts exclusive of medicine, law, and theology <a doctor of philosophy> (3) : the 4-year college course of a major seminary
b (1) archaic : physical science (2) : ethics
c : a discipline comprising as its core logic, aesthetics, ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology
2
a : pursuit of wisdom
b : a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means
c : an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs
3
a : a system of philosophical concepts
b : a theory underlying or regarding a sphere of activity or thought <the philosophy of war>
4
a : the most basic beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group
b : calmness of temper and judgment befitting a philosopher

SO, What Do You Believe Is The Appropriate Definition For You?

I think I speak for everyone when I say we all want sex from religion :whistle:

Phortis Nespin wrote:

Jedi define religion as:

re·li·gion (n)

A set of beliefs, values, and practices; a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion; a system of thought, feeling, and action that is shared by a group and that gives the members a code of behavior by which those individuals may judge the personal and social consequences of their actions; also a frame of reference by which individuals may relate to their group, their universe and The Force.

Definition of PHILOSOPHY

1
a (1) : all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts (2) : the sciences and liberal arts exclusive of medicine, law, and theology <a doctor of philosophy> (3) : the 4-year college course of a major seminary
b (1) archaic : physical science (2) : ethics
c : a discipline comprising as its core logic, aesthetics, ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology
2
a : pursuit of wisdom
b : a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means
c : an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs
3
a : a system of philosophical concepts
b : a theory underlying or regarding a sphere of activity or thought <the philosophy of war>
4
a : the most basic beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group
b : calmness of temper and judgment befitting a philosopher

SO, What Do You Believe Is The Appropriate Definition For You?

I didn't ask for definations? I asked for people thoughts and opinions on what they think and believe.

When it comes to religion, I yearn for knowledge. I seek a greater understanding than I currently have. I am not seeking to throw away my current beliefs as they have come from careful study of the world around me throughout the years. This yearning for knowledge has led me to Jediism. And if someone asked me what religion I practice the answer would be Jediism, even though I do think of it as more of a philosophy and a religion combined. In Jediism I seek to learn from those like-minded people around me who have something to say. Jediism adds to and refines what I already believe so that is why I come here. To gain knowledge myself in an eventual hope to gain understanding and lead others to their own understandings.

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Archon wrote: I don't believe I want anything from TOTJO. I take from the lessons what I feel is applicable to me and the teachings. This is not a path for me, but simply a door to walk through.

RM

If you are taking something then it must be satisfying a desire.

I apologize for not answering your question. I hope this attempt is better at answering.

What I want from this "organization" is knowledge. I want to learn more about what it is this religion stands for, what it's primary tenets are, and whether I can ever truly attain them. I have wandered from religion to religion looking for what I would call the answer to my questions. So far, after what I have read, I am seeing the commonality in my beliefs and the tenets here. Note that I refer to TOTJO as an organization, mainly because I am still seeking my own definition of religion.

What I don't want in general is a laundry list of "Thou shalt's" and persistent negative consequences for the slightest infraction. I have seen firsthand some religions and find that the preacher screaming hellfire from the pulpit as the one true way to heaven, that somehow the people listenting "deserved" to be demeaned in such a way. Other ideologies subtly maneuver you into becoming a true believer, gasping when you find a subject that calls into question even a small part of their belief. Others yet have very simple rules with serious repercussions for violation.

I look here and see a very simple 16 teachings. These are not extravagant rules, and only a few point to believing in the Force. While this is not a point of contention for me, I do find myself attempting to answer people who question what I feel to believe with some hesitation. Sixteen simple teachings in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of verses in the Bible seems a lot easier to incorporate.

Thank you for the opportunity to explain myself further. I look forward to your response.

RM

Note that I refer to TOTJO as an organization, mainly because I am still seeking my own definition of religion.

It is an organization....

And we all are, this is what makes us so unique, in my opinion...

And why we will endure...