'We Have To Stop Calling Each Other Fat'

I guess for me the issue is less about bodyfat and more about projecting each other's opinions and expectations unto other people. In some cases it is justified (where some nature of authority exists such as work performance by management) but in regards to bodyfat levels it seems a more complex situation to warrant wading in on trivially. People are sensitive to appearance, it seems to be part of our wiring to be competitive, perhaps as a result of the reward circuitry of our brains.

I think it says more about the person saying it then the thing being said - but vulnerable people are the ones often least able to stabilize themselves and take such a balanced perspective in such situations so IMO we all should try to be compassionate and considerate and err on the side of leaving somebody feeling more positive then when we met them.

I think the point is... she's far from what I would ever call fat and to suggest that she needs to lose weight means people think she needs to look anorexic. Seriously! Does anyone even understand what a producer is asking of someone when they want them to lose weight? It usually means a starvation diet coupled with abnormal amounts of exercise. It's totally unhealthy as well as totally unnecessary.

People should be portrayed the way they really look, not like some fantasy creature that doesn't and shouldn't exist. It's not about fat... it's about being real.

Without going back and reading the posts I made, I am pretty confident that I can say with a some level of accuracy that not once have I condoned unhealthy lifestyles, obesity or negligence to one’s health. The point of the original post is speaking out against unrealistic expectations .

There is a difference between being on a diet for medical reasons, being aware of one’s diet and dieting because you are attempting to achieve something that is not natural for your body type.

What a pile of feminist feel-good non-sense.

I like to think of it as a pile of practicing human civility. As I am not a female.
And although I am often whimsical, when it comes to the emotional and physical wellbeing of others I am quite serious.

For anyone that can not take the time or step back from their own views long enough to consider how adversely others (or parts of a social group) could be negatively affected by unrealistic expectations I feel for you. The world is not black and white, nor does any one person’s opinion matter so much in the grand scheme of things.

I am almost down heartened by how some can take something good and twist it to promote their own agendas.
I accept that it is a reality and a part of the world we live in…. perhaps, I have unrealistic expectations of others?

people should be portrayed the way they really look, not like some fantasy creature that doesn't and shouldn't exist. It's not about fat... it's about being real

Except movies, stories, etc, aren't about being real.

Lord of the rings, and the hobbit, would have sucked if it was about "being real".

Star Wars too.

As for Jennifer Lawrence, she was asked to gain weight for "Silver Linings Playbook".

Probably didn't complain about unrealistic expectations then, but that's just as unnatural is it not?

The original OP was entirely non-gender specific so I have no clue how it could be construed as a feminist issue in this thread.

In fact, labeling being a projection of the projector hopefully drives us back to looking at ourselves as Jedi intent on being an instrument. That is what I understand the purpose of the OP to be anyway.

What I am about to say isn’t about “fat” or “skinny”, and not even about what we call others, but about body image and evaluating our beliefs and our present purpose for retaining them or modifying them in one other specific area which is popular in this community and present day at large.

Body building.

Beyond strength for health and a specific job function which requires extra strength . . like what is the purpose of building body? Isn’t “cool great cuts” at times the opposite side of the same coin that says “fat”. Perhaps one qualifies my rejection of you, the other the qualifies the acceptance of you?

I honestly don’t get it. The great cuts business (and that is non-gender specific). I don’t see the purpose of valuing "above and beyond" in body building.

Am I missing something?

Like I said earlier…

I don’t know. If there were a role I really wanted to play and they wanted a particular type cast for it I would still try to get that role because I wanted to play that role. Not because I agreed with the type they wanted cast.

They aren’t real. They are fiction and they are a form of art. Just as the painter chooses the colors they choose to paint with, so does the director choose the people that will star.

Probably didn't complain about unrealistic expectations then, but that's just as unnatural is it not?

Whether or not she complained about gaining weight for a role I have no idea so I try not to assume one way or the other. But unnatural… I don’t know. Seeing as how so many are already that way I would say that it is probably not unnatural given the current health of some. But, I will say, it is unhealthy.

I said in a earlier post that sometimes we just have to do what we have to do to get what we want. She wants to be in a movie, she has to give the director what they want. It’s their movie. Going back and rereading the OP again, I still feel that she was referring to the airbrushing done by photo shoppers and the media portraying unrealistic images for others to look up to.

If I want to be a firefighter and they tell me I have to lose weight, then I have to comply to get what I want. If I want to join the service and they tell me I have to gain weight, guess what.. I have to gain weight.

Some will say that the advertising people are practicing a form of art and photo shopping is their canvas. The models are the art they are producing. To a point I agree. But when we use that art to tell the world what they should look like and the people themselves can not obtain such an unrealistic level of “perfection” then we are setting unrealistic expectations to measure others by and for them to measure them self by.

Why is that so hard to understand?
I am not saying we all need to be fat or happy with being unhealthy.

I accept that there may be possibilities and pieces to the puzzle I am not aware of. I try to think of the most reasonable or logical path or cause and consider it as a possibility. I try to not accuse others or jump to quick conclusions or judgments. It is easy to set back and point the finger, it is a whole other ball of wax to be in their shoes and know what is going on with them and in their life.

Yes, individuals go to great lengths to get what they want and will sacrifice aspects of themself for its accomplishment. That is just the way it is.

It is also very easy to see that individuals believe they are victims to the media, which also is just the way it is?

But are we, Jedi, victims of the media?

Isn’t victim consciousness an egoic belief system? Aren’t Jedi’s focused on overcoming the ego?

Wescli Wardest wrote: Without going back and reading the posts I made, I am pretty confident that I can say with a some level of accuracy that not once have I condoned unhealthy lifestyles, obesity or negligence to one’s health. The point of the original post is speaking out against unrealistic expectations .

There is a difference between being on a diet for medical reasons, being aware of one’s diet and dieting because you are attempting to achieve something that is not natural for your body type.

What a pile of feminist feel-good non-sense.

I like to think of it as a pile of practicing human civility. As I am not a female.
And although I am often whimsical, when it comes to the emotional and physical wellbeing of others I am quite serious.

For anyone that can not take the time or step back from their own views long enough to consider how adversely others (or parts of a social group) could be negatively affected by unrealistic expectations I feel for you. The world is not black and white, nor does any one person’s opinion matter so much in the grand scheme of things.

I am almost down heartened by how some can take something good and twist it to promote their own agendas.
I accept that it is a reality and a part of the world we live in…. perhaps, I have unrealistic expectations of others?

Most human activities are unnatural. money is unnatural. Doing something unnatural for the purpose of obtaining something unnatural is most definitely an every day occurrence. No-one's forcing her to be an actress/model. She can be whatever weight she wants and work in a factory if she feels like it.

What you call human civility is in fact no more than yet another set of pathetic first world problems. "boohoo my employer gives me enough money to buy a country but I have to eat broccoli for a month".
I think I'd rather read the news about those three escaped pigs.

It is a first world problem. That is correct.

Since the dawn of agriculture we have had the luxury of time. Time gave us the opportunity to advance understanding, the sciences and the arts.

And just as I work to aid those less fortunate, I also work to aid those that are considered “better off” as we are all human and we all have our own problems. My compassion is not strictly reserved for those that are at the “bottom” of the list.

Just as I would do what I could to help anyone that has a specific diet requirement for health reasons the same as those that just want something to eat.

Not all problems are equal in severity, as in the need for immediate response, but all problems warrant attention. As a Jedi, I do not say that some issues are not important because you aren’t going to die from it. I recognize that the issue is real to the individual. And I will press issues that have more time sensitive consequences over other issues. But… we have to be sure not to ignore what we might consider small as small things have a tendency of becoming large things.