This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own go

Manu wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote:

MartaLina wrote: Yeah well , knowing G'd he proceedes as he bloody well likes , i dont think he lives in the realms of good and evil

That may be so, if there is a God, but scriptures say we are to emulate him as he is our best example.

Do you think a God and judge who breaks his own laws to be a good God?

Or are you afraid to judge what is said of him?

Regards
DL

In which part of scripture does it say we are to emulate God?

God is supposed to be the final word in morals and ethics. So believers tell me.

Strange that you would not think that theists would automatically seek to follow such goodness.

But tio your request here is one of a number of the quotes that show we are to emulate God.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Regards
DL

Manu wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote:

Manu wrote: If by "God" you mean the Abrahamic God, then you should be aware that good and evil are defined by Him, that is, good is his will, evil is anything else.

Which makes anything He does inherently good. He is above the Law.

So you are thinking that genocide is good then. Right?

More direct to your answer.
Would you tolerate our human judges breaking the laws they write?

If not why would you give a God the pass to do so?

Regards
DL

Because there is nothing I can do about it. If God is evil then he is evil. Nothing I can do about it.

Yes there is.

You can judge him so and pass on your good judgement to those who think otherwise and adore genocide when done by their God.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

Regards
DL

Greatest-I-am wrote:

Manu wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote:

Manu wrote: If by "God" you mean the Abrahamic God, then you should be aware that good and evil are defined by Him, that is, good is his will, evil is anything else.

Which makes anything He does inherently good. He is above the Law.

So you are thinking that genocide is good then. Right?

More direct to your answer.
Would you tolerate our human judges breaking the laws they write?

If not why would you give a God the pass to do so?

Regards
DL

Because there is nothing I can do about it. If God is evil then he is evil. Nothing I can do about it.

Yes there is.

You can judge him so and pass on your good judgement to those who think otherwise and adore genocide when done by their God.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

Regards
DL

So is that why you are here? Shouldn't you be visiting a Christian group instead?

Yikes.

This is all true but it does not explain why people would praise and follow an evil genocidal God who kills when he could just as easily cure.

Well, given God's clearly unlimited power and callous disregard for any ethical standards, the good money is on praise and following and hoping to keep off the radar :laugh:

Few, if any, natural animals kill when they can cure or kill babies and children because of anger at the parents. I cannot recall any natural system doing so

We can do lessons on anthropology and naturalism later, right now you're busy teaching theology.

That is up to you.

Do you love your wrong thinking neighbors?

If so, this quote might guide you if you think it a good one.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

So I've agreed God is Evil, but i'm still going to apply the teachings of the Bible?

Is the lord correcting me? am I the Lord?

I'm clearly missing something, and I am sure it is just my own lack of understanding - Can you run that by me again, in smaller words, so I might better comprehend?

Gisteron wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote:

Gisteron wrote: ...

Seems you do not believe much of the bible. This is good.

Well, you didn't say that the biblical God was evil. Your conclusion was that an actual god (provided it exists) would be. It's not an expressed premise of your case that the Bible represents any bit of that being, or that it could.

But those who do, are stuck with an evil genocidal God.

No, you aren't. Whether there is a god and whether it is evil or genocidal does not depend on what anybody believes on the matter... Unless of course you are talking about the biblical character as opposed to an actual god that either did or does exist, but you didn't specify that and so by default I'd assume you mean the latter. On that note, even if you are talking about the biblical character it is still wholly irrelevant whether we believe that the book is an accurate descriptor of something real. We can discuss characters within narratives independent of whether they have real world counterparts or whether those counterparts have anything in common with them.


See, this is what happens if you start with your conclusions and then completely skip the premises. The extent to which your argument can be addressed, it falls apart.

I could have done all you say but as I see it, God, either real or imaginary, is still evil, so my all encompassing "God" in the O.P., is accurate either way.

I did have Yahweh in mind more than the other Gods, real or imaginary to all who have faith in God, and all the Gods, as unofficial purveyors of social manipulation and control, are all evil to me.

Regards
DL

Manu wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote:

Manu wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote:

Manu wrote: If by "God" you mean the Abrahamic God, then you should be aware that good and evil are defined by Him, that is, good is his will, evil is anything else.

Which makes anything He does inherently good. He is above the Law.

So you are thinking that genocide is good then. Right?

More direct to your answer.
Would you tolerate our human judges breaking the laws they write?

If not why would you give a God the pass to do so?

Regards
DL

Because there is nothing I can do about it. If God is evil then he is evil. Nothing I can do about it.

Yes there is.

You can judge him so and pass on your good judgement to those who think otherwise and adore genocide when done by their God.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

Regards
DL

So is that why you are here? Shouldn't you be visiting a Christian group instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPL5OXSBNE

Regards
DL

JamesSand wrote:
So I've agreed God is Evil, but i'm still going to apply the teachings of the Bible?

Is the lord correcting me? am I the Lord?

Is that bible quote not a wise saying? If so, you should not care about the source of it.

To your last.
In the way Gnostic Christians think, yes you are the Lord and your own master.

That was the good news that most ignore in the words the scribes put in Jesus' mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

Right, I'd forgotten this was a recruiting drive for your club.

Where do I sign?

are you sure youre ready to become a domino?
its a big responsibility, you should pray about it
to yourself, i think

Greatest-I-am wrote: I could have done all you say but as I see it, God, either real or imaginary, is still evil, so my all encompassing "God" in the O.P., is accurate either way.

I did have Yahweh in mind more than the other Gods, real or imaginary to all who have faith in God, and all the Gods, as unofficial purveyors of social manipulation and control, are all evil to me.

Oh, so you mean it doesn't matter whether a god follows the golden rule? Any gods are evil, no matter what? Then why is there any need to prove it? And how is your relying on the golden rule at all helpful? Shifting the goal post again, are we?

Manu wrote: So is that why you are here? Shouldn't you be visiting a Christian group instead?

*chuckle*
You'd be surprised how many places GIa thinks this needs to be discussed. It's almost like he has an infinite supply of time and disposable Email addresses.


As of the time of writing, this is half the list of all the places where duplicates of this thread exist, with a second half following in the next post because apparently there is a limit on how many references one may make in one single post on TOTJO, but the number of places GIa started this at exceeds that number, haha!

• Able2Know , a free discussion platform
• WrongPlanet , a community for people and especially parents struggling with ASDs, ADHD, PDDs and other mental disorders
• TWCenter , a Total War gaming community
• PoliticalHotwire , a discussion forum for matters of politics
• Youth Debates , a "political and non-political" discussion platform

JamesSand wrote: Right, I'd forgotten this was a recruiting drive for your club.

Where do I sign?

On your heart.

Regards
DL

• Atheist Forums , a place for theists and atheists to discuss "all manner of topics"
• LiveLeak Forums , the forums hosted by an alternative media outlet
• DavidIcke.com Forums , the infamous David Icke's site forums
• BlueLight , a self-help and support community for people struggling from consequences of drug abuse
• Think Atheist , an online atheist community (the thread here was creating during my researching for this post)

OB1Shinobi wrote: are you sure youre ready to become a domino?
its a big responsibility, you should pray about it
to yourself, i think

Why do you think so lowly of yourself to think you have no impact on the earth or those who even read what you say?

Keep that poor thinking for yourself if you like but do not try to put me in your lowly mind set.

Regards
DL

Gisteron wrote:

Greatest-I-am wrote: I could have done all you say but as I see it, God, either real or imaginary, is still evil, so my all encompassing "God" in the O.P., is accurate either way.

I did have Yahweh in mind more than the other Gods, real or imaginary to all who have faith in God, and all the Gods, as unofficial purveyors of social manipulation and control, are all evil to me.

Oh, so you mean it doesn't matter whether a god follows the golden rule? Any gods are evil, no matter what? Then why is there any need to prove it? And how is your relying on the golden rule at all helpful? Shifting the goal post again, are we?

What I think does not matter here.

Christians or others of faith following demonstrably evil Gods does matter.

If people started to honor and adore Hitler, you would likely try to dissuade people from following such an entity, yet some following an even more evil genocidal one does not seem to phase you. Oh well.

Regards
DL

Gisteron wrote:

Manu wrote: So is that why you are here? Shouldn't you be visiting a Christian group instead?

*chuckle*
You'd be surprised how many places GIa thinks this needs to be discussed. It's almost like he has an infinite supply of time and disposable Email addresses.


As of the time of writing, this is half the list of all the places where duplicates of this thread exist, with a second half following in the next post because apparently there is a limit on how many references one may make in one single post on TOTJO, but the number of places GIa started this at exceeds that number, haha!

• Able2Know , a free discussion platform
• WrongPlanet , a community for people and especially parents struggling with ASDs, ADHD, PDDs and other mental disorders
• TWCenter , a Total War gaming community
• PoliticalHotwire , a discussion forum for matters of politics
• Youth Debates , a "political and non-political" discussion platform

"It's almost like he has an infinite supply of time and disposable"

What irony when I read this from one who has just wasted his time checking out where I go.

You are quite a bright guy so I have to wonder why you make such stupide statements.

Regards
DL

*chuckle*
You'd be surprised how many places GIa thinks this needs to be discussed. It's almost like he has an infinite supply of time and disposable Email addresses.

Aww shoot, I thought we were his special project.

Ah well.

Is there an Everything Police?

Is this the sort of thing Anonymous fights against? Dispatching internet weenies who spam across all space and time?

Why do you think so lowly of yourself to think you have no impact on the earth or those who even read what you say?

Obi doesn't strike me has having particularly low self esteem
Having said that, he probably doesn't have much impact on the earth.
But I like what he says (sometimes he gets rambly and needs to have a sit down and a biscuit, but otherwise it's good fun)


You on the other hand, I am quite liable to forget.

What irony when I read this from one who has just wasted his time checking out where I go

I'm not sure you know what irony means, but that's neither here nor there - I don't consider that information a waste.

with as many times as he's presented this argument youd think hed be good at it by now lol

Greatest-I-am wrote: What I think does not matter here.

Agreed.

Christians or others of faith following demonstrably evil Gods does matter.

Then why of all the places on the internet you spam with this drivel is none of them a Christian place? Why bother literally everybody except the ones you feel matter in this discussion?

If people started to honor and adore Hitler, you would likely try to dissuade people from following such an entity,...

No. I would oppose their trying to undermine democracy or laws they propose to harm innocent people or aggression they show towards those, if and when they do. But how they feel about Hitler is their business and I'll leave them to it.

... yet some following an even more evil genocidal one does not seem to phase you.

Hitler actually did things, directly or indirectly to people. The biblical god so far did nothing. I'll oppose people doing evil no matter in who's name they do it, alive, dead, or fictional, but their hearts and minds are their own and they are free to poison those at their own discretion. The only time I will intervene is if it is somebody I personally care little enough for that I'd rather they think as I do than think for themselves. Next time you want to predict how I would think or act, get to know me first.

JamesSand wrote:

*chuckle*
You'd be surprised how many places GIa thinks this needs to be discussed. It's almost like he has an infinite supply of time and disposable Email addresses.

Aww shoot, I thought we were his special project.

Ah well.

Is there an Everything Police?

Is this the sort of thing Anonymous fights against? Dispatching internet weenies who spam across all space and time?

Why do you think so lowly of yourself to think you have no impact on the earth or those who even read what you say?

Obi doesn't strike me has having particularly low self esteem
Having said that, he probably doesn't have much impact on the earth.
But I like what he says (sometimes he gets rambly and needs to have a sit down and a biscuit, but otherwise it's good fun)


You on the other hand, I am quite liable to forget.

What irony when I read this from one who has just wasted his time checking out where I go

I'm not sure you know what irony means, but that's neither here nor there - I don't consider that information a waste.

Good that you think a backhanded criticism and insult to freedom of speech and association is not a waste of time.

Quite the Jedi your are.

Regards
DL