Weekday Doctrine Meditations 13:00 utc(Ajax)

Teaching 5

Starting next week, the Meditation time will be changed to 12:00 utc

Starting tomorrow, (Monday) there will be two opportunities to engage in Weekday Meditations:

One at the regular 12:00 UTC

Another at 3:00 UTC

I'm looking forward to seeing you all. Thank you for the opportunity to share with you

Today is the first day we will do meditations at 3:00, which means in one hour and 45 minutes. Since we are starting this, we'll start it fresh with "Jedi Believe"

Jedi Believe
In the Force, and in the inherent worth of all life within it.
In the sanctity of the human person. We oppose the use of torture and cruel or unusual punishment, including the death penalty.
In a society governed by laws grounded in reason and compassion, not in fear or prejudice.
In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin.
In the ethic of reciprocity, and how moral concepts are not absolute but vary by culture, religion and over time.
In the positive influence of spiritual growth and awareness on society.
In the importance of freedom of conscience and self-determination within religious, political and other structures.
In the separation of religion and government and the freedoms of speech, association and expression.

at 12:00 we will discuss teaching #6

6. Jedi use their skills to the best of their ability. We do not use our knowledge and skill to boast or be prideful. We are mindful of the ego and mindful of our actions, exercising wisdom and humility.

Weekday meditations for Monday and Tuesday are cancelled. We will resume on Wednesday 12 utc

Good timezone everyone!!
I've missed you all. I needed some good R &R. Hopefully I will see you all at 12:00 or 3:00

At 12:00 we will discuss teaching #6

6. Jedi use their skills to the best of their ability. We do not use our knowledge and skill to boast or be prideful. We are mindful of the ego and mindful of our actions, exercising wisdom and humility.

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At 03:00 Thursday, we will discuss:

Jedi Believe
In the Force, and in the inherent worth of all life within it.
In the sanctity of the human person. We oppose the use of torture and cruel or unusual punishment, including the death penalty.
In a society governed by laws grounded in reason and compassion, not in fear or prejudice.
In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin.
In the ethic of reciprocity, and how moral concepts are not absolute but vary by culture, religion and over time.
In the positive influence of spiritual growth and awareness on society.
In the importance of freedom of conscience and self-determination within religious, political and other structures.
In the separation of religion and government and the freedoms of speech, association and expression.

I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow at 12 UTC. We'll discuss teaching number six I think. I look forward to seeing you all there

Happening shortly

Rosalyn_J: Hiya
(06:00:04) Rosalyn_J: Fair warning that I am working from a tablet
(06:00:07) Rosalyn_J:
(06:00:43) Twigga: I am on my mobile, in a café!
(06:00:57) Rosalyn_J: Difficulties are bound to occur
(06:01:42) Rosalyn_J: Today I thought it would be good to discuss the three tenets
(06:01:43) Twigga: Yes, let's jus see how things go!
(06:01:55) Rosalyn_J: Focus, Knowledge and Wisdom
(06:01:55) Twigga: Ok. I just did 'em!
(06:02:04) Rosalyn_J: Oh nice
(06:02:33) Rosalyn_J: They are the next section of my very small book on the practice of Jediism
(06:02:43) Temple remote: thomaswfaulkner logs into the Chat.
(06:02:47) Twigga:
(06:02:50) Rosalyn_J: Heya thomas
(06:02:58) Twigga: Sounds like an interesting book!
(06:03:01) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning, my friends!
(06:03:05) Twigga: Thomas!
(06:03:10) Rosalyn_J: So today we are talking about the three tenets
(06:03:14) Twigga: Morning
(06:04:14) Rosalyn_J: Here is our doctrine concerning this:
(06:04:18) Rosalyn_J: Knowledge
Wisdom
When used correctly, the Jedi Tenets allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle. They help us improve the world around us and fulfil our purpose in life as a Jedi.

Wisdom is the sound application of accrued knowledge and experience through patient, good judgment.

Knowledge can be acquired by focusing on the task at hand.

Focus is the art of pruning the irrelevant and pouring the best of your mind into what you are doing.
(06:05:33) Rosalyn_J: Its simple enough and broad enough and even gives us some guides as to how to apply it
(06:06:16) Rosalyn_J: yet, lets talk about how we understand the three tenents right now. Anyone have any thoughts?
(06:07:10) Twigga: Heh... I totally read, then ignored this, clearly... I re-wrote, basically, for my own convenience, for my time and stage now. Maybe later I might be able to take them on closer to as they are written here, but... Not today.
(06:07:18) Twigga: Baby steps
(06:09:05) Rosalyn_J: I'm sorry. Ive read that three times and am still confused. Can you clarify further?
(06:10:24) Twigga: Focus, I intend to keep soft, as I get trapped in focus on individual things too easily - I prefer a soft focus on nothing too much on particular at the moment. Knowledge is another trap - I can "Intellectualise" my way out of confronting my fears, so knowledge, I've replaced with "understanding". And the wisdom. That one, is probably fine. Just no one can be wise in all thongs, in all ways, at all times.
(06:11:14) Twigga: Or, in all things, even. Underwear choices aside.
(06:11:26) Rosalyn_J: What you've said is so true
(06:12:02) Rosalyn_J: We never want to "extremely" apply doctrine. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing
(06:12:17) thomaswfaulkner: I think this piece of the doctrine has served me well in understanding how to position myself to be ready to accept the what is in the moment. Being able to say, ehhhh, Thomas, I think you're letting fear of failure, sadness, or whatever I am feeling, sort of cloud your judgement. Let's sort of process these thoughts and feelings really quick so you can get that blaming monkey off your back. I think my biggest issue in the application of this triad is learning how to refocus enough to recall upon the "right" piece of wisdom at the "right" time.
(06:13:00) Rosalyn_J: So good
(06:13:12) Rosalyn_J: For me, I am similar to Twigga
(06:13:24) Rosalyn_J: I can focus to the point of obsession
(06:13:40) Rosalyn_J: and then at other times, I can't focus at all
(06:14:13) Twigga:
(06:14:26) Rosalyn_J: even after all these years on this journey, I still haven't acheived the balance necessary to apply these correctly without fail
(06:14:48) Twigga: I like Thomas' point about accepting the present as it is too.
(06:14:57) thomaswfaulkner: But with failure comes knowledge.
(06:15:16) Twigga: Failure is THE BEST!
(06:15:30) Twigga: Much failure love here...
(06:15:35) Rosalyn_J: Yes, part of the journey is being aware, knowing, when you're falling off to one side of the sea-saw
(06:15:54) Rosalyn_J: I wish I could say that with as much gusto twigga
(06:16:16) Twigga:
(06:16:33) Rosalyn_J: Its a good teacher no doubt. Not exactly up there with best friend
(06:16:51) Rosalyn_J: Not yet
(06:16:56) Twigga: It's horrid at the time, but I've learnt so much...
(06:17:41) Rosalyn_J: I'm nodding vigirously as if you can see it
(06:17:41) Twigga: ... But trying to fail would be a crazy thing to do.
(06:18:05) Rosalyn_J: Failure sneaks up on you like a ninja
(06:18:10) thomaswfaulkner: Ditto. When I would run from it, I couldn't learn from it. But facing it with people that support me, I was able to overcome it and transform it into that bubbly person I find myself being today.
(06:18:40) thomaswfaulkner: Ninja failures can be VERY sneaky
(06:18:54) Twigga: I am looking forward to taking a similar journey as that Thomas!
(06:18:55) Rosalyn_J: Maybe failure is the fertilizer in which wisdom grows
(06:19:48) Twigga: I think Alexandre would disagree - I think he'd stick with knowledge, as we don't need to personally make these fails ourselves.
(06:20:01) Twigga: We can learn from each other...
(06:20:09) Rosalyn_J: true
(06:20:34) Rosalyn_J: I had an apprentice write a very exeptional post on that this weekend
(06:20:52) Twigga: Needs listening skills.
(06:20:55) Twigga: Oh yeah?
(06:21:12) Rosalyn_J: Yes, dealing with freedom from the known
(06:21:47) Twigga: 8|
(06:22:05) Rosalyn_J: His work is certainly worth sharing. I'll see if he'll grant permission once the lesson is done
(06:22:28) Rosalyn_J: Not a fan of ol' kishy face then?
(06:22:50) Twigga: Nice... Outside the veil?
(06:23:01) Rosalyn_J: Yes
(06:23:12) Twigga: Oh, not "not a fan" just not a reader
(06:23:31) Twigga: +1 for outside of veil things!
(06:23:54) Rosalyn_J: I'd be keen to rip the veils
(06:23:55) Twigga: It all seems very complicated, Kishy's stuff.
(06:24:27) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(06:24:39) Rosalyn_J: we are coming up on the 25 minute mark
(06:25:05) Rosalyn_J: sorry to cut this short, but I'd like to recite the creed with you both
(06:25:13) Rosalyn_J: If you'll join me
(06:25:13) Twigga: Nice
(06:25:15) Rosalyn_J: ---
(06:25:16) thomaswfaulkner: I am ready.
(06:25:30) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(06:25:41) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(06:25:48) Twigga: I am a Jedi, and instrument of Peace;
(06:26:05) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(06:26:14) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(06:26:21) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(06:26:32) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(06:26:40) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon
(06:26:42) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(06:26:56) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(06:27:03) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith
(06:27:06) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(06:27:35) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(06:27:43) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(06:27:48) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope
(06:27:59) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:07) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:09) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:23) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:36) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:40) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:53) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi
(06:28:59) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi
(06:29:01) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(06:29:19) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:36) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:39) Twigga: I shall never seek so Mich to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:49) Twigga: *much
(06:29:59) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:16) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:19) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:37) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(06:30:47) Twigga: To be loved as to love.
(06:30:53) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love.
(06:31:17) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:29) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:41) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:56) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:11) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:12) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:34) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to enternal life.
(06:32:52) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(06:32:59) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(06:33:19) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:33:35) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:33:41) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:34:06) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming. May the Force be with you and may you enjoy your day
(06:34:20) thomaswfaulkner: I will, if you will.
(06:34:21) Twigga: Thank you. And you too.
(06:34:34) Twigga: Ha ha - deal Thomas.
(06:35:11) Rosalyn_J: ok I have a favor
(06:35:39) Rosalyn_J: I'll need someone to paste this into the weekday meditations forum

The Code

(08:10:41) Twigga: Hello!
(08:11:36) Rosalyn_J: heya
(08:11:44) Twigga:
(08:11:54) Rosalyn_J: Made it safely to work
(08:12:06) Rosalyn_J: now I can relax and chat with you guys
(08:12:16) Twigga: Yay!
(08:12:21) Rosalyn_J: we are a little bit late starting
(08:12:25) Twigga: How was Karate?
(08:12:34) Rosalyn_J: good, good
(08:12:42) Twigga: So you want to press on...
(08:12:50) Rosalyn_J: are you guys ok with going to 42 pass the hour?
(08:13:25) Twigga: Oh totally. No fixed times here. Everything fluid.
(08:14:01) Rosalyn_J: cool
(08:14:08) Rosalyn_J: Thomas?
(08:14:33) Twigga: Maybe afk?
(08:14:40) Rosalyn_J: maybe
(08:14:50) Rosalyn_J: ok lets go ahead and get started
(08:14:53) Rosalyn_J: Emotion, yet Peace. There is no Emotion, there is Peace.
Ignorance, yet Knowledge. There is no Ignorance, there is Knowledge.
Passion, yet Serenity. There is no Passion, there is Serenity.
Chaos, yet Harmony. There is no Chaos, there is Harmony.
Death, yet the Force. There is no Death, there is the Force.
by Greg Costikyan
(08:15:11) Rosalyn_J: Well there are two versions of the Code
(08:15:27) Rosalyn_J: First question, which do you prefer and why?
(08:16:06) Twigga: I haven't made a first step into this yet. Gut instinct is the 'yet' version.
(08:16:24) Twigga: It's a gut thing, no reasoning.
(08:16:41) Rosalyn_J: makes sense
(08:16:55) Twigga: Maybe cause it's shorter?
(08:16:59) thomaswfaulkner: I'm here...I also think the yet is a better interpretation for me, because it sets us up with the spectrum of what is.
(08:17:28) thomaswfaulkner: Emotions for me do exist, but through their culmination and understanding we can acknowledge peace
(08:17:38) Rosalyn_J: right
(08:17:56) Rosalyn_J: I haven't found myself using the Code
(08:18:05) Rosalyn_J: I prefer the Creed
(08:18:16) Rosalyn_J: But....BUT
(08:18:42) Rosalyn_J: Today I have discovered that I can use both in succession\
(08:19:54) Rosalyn_J: When I was pretty young on the journey, another Jedi created a site Khars Institute in the name of (he says) the Founder of the Jedi way
(08:19:57) Twigga: ... *curious*
(08:20:31) Rosalyn_J: on this site there were a list of standards and the one that I gravitated towards was related to the Code
(08:20:40) Rosalyn_J: and how to make decisions
(08:21:11) Rosalyn_J: Start with the Yet version of the Code
(08:21:28) Rosalyn_J: everything is all muddy and on a spectrum
(08:21:49) Rosalyn_J: As you move toward your decision go toward the No version of the Code
(08:22:19) Twigga: Interesting!
(08:22:25) Rosalyn_J: no emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos and a trust in the Force
(08:22:53) Rosalyn_J: then, when it comes to making your decision, when it comes to acting, use the Skywalker Code
(08:23:09) Rosalyn_J: "jedi are guardians of peace in the galaxy"
(08:23:36) Rosalyn_J: well today I discovered that I can actually replace Skywalker with our Creed
(08:23:46) Rosalyn_J: or even with "Jedi Believe"
(08:23:52) Rosalyn_J: as the situation calls for it
(08:24:13) Twigga: Hmm... Nice.
(08:25:25) Rosalyn_J: Anyhow, so that was a bit of discovery on my part
(08:25:41) Twigga: It was a good one
(08:26:23) Rosalyn_J: have you guys looked at when the Code comes to mind for you, almost unbidden?
(08:26:27) thomaswfaulkner: It's great to have the resources to aggregate to what we already know.
(08:28:03) Twigga: It might have happened, but mostly it's other Jedi that spot it/use it. As I said, I've no yet reached that bit with my IP - not REALLY looked at it.
(08:28:30) Rosalyn_J: I got you
(08:28:57) Twigga: But as Thomas says, it'll likely be something that is already known, when I finally get there!
(08:29:06) thomaswfaulkner: For me, when I reflect on the code, I see that left side of the code for me represents the individual's perspective while the right interprets that "through sound wisdom" assessment of how we interpret those perspectives.
(08:29:43) thomaswfaulkner: It helps to come back and have that "mental retreat" of rereading the words to revitalize how I interpret my perspective.
(08:30:42) Rosalyn_J: how do you mean?
(08:30:56) Rosalyn_J: I mean can you give an example?
(08:31:05) thomaswfaulkner: Sure thing!
(08:31:35) Twigga: Yay practical things!
(08:33:21) thomaswfaulkner: For me, life is a pretty big (and fun!) game of balance. When you have that Jedi Doctrine Revival, you can feel that "spiritual juice" flowing through your veins. Its that experiential moment. That feeling of your "suchness" radiating.
(08:33:24) thomaswfaulkner: But...
(08:35:12) thomaswfaulkner: When life happens, I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo that starts to feel that life energy start to drain. When life goes against my expectations, my work piles up, or I experience some sort of guilt, it can take a toll on our Being.
(08:35:30) thomaswfaulkner: Now we can practice self care throughout each day...but that's ideal
(08:35:41) thomaswfaulkner: Sometimes it's okay to just be tired
(08:35:41) Twigga:
(08:35:59) thomaswfaulkner: To say, NOW all I can do is rest
(08:36:08) Twigga: That's true.
(08:36:27) thomaswfaulkner: If we lose touch with that Code, our comfort after the rest can drain that spirit.
(08:36:36) thomaswfaulkner: The code helps me to revitalize that though
(08:36:37) Twigga: Very sensible for spoon counters.
(08:37:32) thomaswfaulkner: It shifts my focus from my emotions, to recognizing harmony. What I see as Chaos, "as simply what is"
(08:38:16) thomaswfaulkner: And it makes me rebelieve that things will be (and have been) alright all along.
(08:38:33) thomaswfaulkner: Perfect for spoon counters.
(08:38:41) Twigga:
(08:38:51) Rosalyn_J: That is wonderful
(08:38:58) Rosalyn_J: before we get to the Creed
(08:39:05) Rosalyn_J: I actually need a favor
(08:39:16) Rosalyn_J: my chat log has prematurely cut off
(08:39:38) Rosalyn_J: and I cannot see a good chunk of the beginning of our conversation
(08:39:56) Twigga: I can probabably cut and paste on my phone...
(08:40:02) Rosalyn_J: so would either of you be able to post the log?
(08:40:11) thomaswfaulkner: Don't fear! I'm on a computer!!!!
(08:40:16) Rosalyn_J: into the morning meditation
(08:40:20) Rosalyn_J: ok
(08:40:23) Rosalyn_J: sweet
(08:40:28) Rosalyn_J: Alright
(08:40:47) Twigga: Ah Thomas, you star.
(08:40:53) Rosalyn_J: well we are nearing the end and I'd love if we could do the Creed together to wrap up
(08:41:17) Rosalyn_J: Would both of you join me?
(08:41:19) Rosalyn_J: ---
(08:41:24) Twigga: Yep!
(08:41:36) thomaswfaulkner: I will
(08:41:37) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:41:50) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:41:53) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:42:11) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:42:27) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:42:27) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(08:42:43) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:42:55) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:42:56) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon
(08:43:18) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:43:29) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith
(08:43:31) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:43:48) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:43:59) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:44:13) Twigga: Where there is despair hope
(08:44:18) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:30) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:31) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:52) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy.
(08:45:03) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy.
(08:45:05) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:45:25) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(08:45:32) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(08:45:34) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi.
(08:45:51) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:46:05) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:46:10) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console
(08:46:27) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(08:46:40) Twigga: To be understood as to understand
(08:46:40) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(08:46:52) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(08:47:03) Twigga: To be loved as to love
(08:47:06) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love
(08:47:20) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:47:31) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:47:33) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive
(08:47:48) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:48:02) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(08:48:04) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:48:22) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:38) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:41) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:56) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(08:49:19) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:49:20) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:49:45) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming
(08:50:00) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you today and always
(08:50:00) Twigga: Thank you for hosting Ros!
(08:50:04) thomaswfaulkner: Thank you, Ros!!!
(08:50:08) Rosalyn_J: I learned so much
(08:50:34) Twigga: I think this is an important part of my day.
(08:51:00) thomaswfaulkner: I like this. It's a great primer to get me going for work!
(08:51:03) Rosalyn_J: oh good
(08:51:05) Twigga: Have good days ahead of you, enjoy!
(08:51:46) Rosalyn_J: and you also, Twigga