Weekday Doctrine Meditations 13:00 utc(Ajax)

(05:03:49) Rosalyn_J: Hello!!
(05:03:58) steamboat28: Good timezone!
(05:04:12) Rosalyn_J: yay people
(05:04:14) Twigga: Ha! Got it to load... AJax was being dodge
(05:04:27) Rosalyn_J: awesome!!
(05:04:43) Rosalyn_J: Today we are going to discuss the Code
(05:05:11) Twigga: nice
(05:05:41) Rosalyn_J: as we know there are two versions:
(05:05:43) Rosalyn_J: Emotion, yet Peace. There is no Emotion, there is Peace.
Ignorance, yet Knowledge. There is no Ignorance, there is Knowledge.
Passion, yet Serenity. There is no Passion, there is Serenity.
Chaos, yet Harmony. There is no Chaos, there is Harmony.
Death, yet the Force. There is no Death, there is the Force.
(05:05:55) Temple remote: Arisaig logs into the Chat.
(05:06:28) Twigga: *waves to Arisaig*
(05:06:36) Rosalyn_J: Hi Arisaig
(05:06:36) Arisaig: heyo.
(05:07:39) Rosalyn_J: Ive been known to use one as a regular code and one as a decision code
(05:08:08) Rosalyn_J: what about you all? How have you interpreted and used the Code?
(05:09:00) steamboat28: I see the "yet" code as a system of dualities, regarding the nature of the Force and our lives. I see the standard code as affirmations that the former (emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos, and death) are illusory.
(05:09:17) Rosalyn_J: ah
(05:09:22) steamboat28: but that the latter remains, regardless.
(05:10:14) Arisaig: agreed with Steam, the first part is usually part of innate programming that we're taught throughout our lives, the latter is what we should aspire to.
(05:10:54) Rosalyn_J: Wonderful, absolutely wonderful
(05:11:05) Rosalyn_J: Twigga?
(05:11:16) Twigga: I am made of the first halves - emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos and death. Sometimes I need to listen to them to inform me where I wanna go, and what I want to do. Sometimes I need them to be there as a backdrop, but let my knowledge, serenity, harmony and *shrugs* yeah, sometimes the force stuffs too, come out and shine.
(05:12:00) Rosalyn_J: Wow, really good
(05:12:03) Arisaig: mm, well said twigga. The first part is usually the knee jerk reaction of the ego (in my experience at least).
(05:12:04) Twigga: So I use both. Depending on my state at the time.
(05:12:13) Rosalyn_J: Me too
(05:12:56) steamboat28: I think it's important to realize both have their place; if one were without use, would we not discard it? Yet we keep them both. Surely, there must be some knowledge in them to be gleaned.
(05:13:40) Rosalyn_J: We cannot have only a positive or only a negative poll
(05:13:56) Rosalyn_J: Life makes it so that we will always have dualities
(05:14:12) Rosalyn_J: The Code is the very expression of life
(05:14:19) Twigga: ... what is a duality (?)
(05:14:33) steamboat28: So when I am overcome with passion, I realize that serenity can still exist within me at the same time. ("yet" code)
When I am ignorant, however, I must know that state to be temporary and to seek Knowledge. (standard code)
(05:15:06) steamboat28: Twigga, within this Temple, a duality is a set of two things that are not as opposite as they appear.
(05:15:24) Twigga: *nods* THAT'S good to know.
(05:15:42) Rosalyn_J:
(05:16:06) Twigga: Like boys and girls. Folks often see 'em as opposites; but actually they're, like, 99.9% the same.
(05:16:28) steamboat28: For example, white and black are not opposites, though they may seem it. Rather, one of them informs us of the other; if we're drawing in pencil on white paper, we need both to see.
(05:16:39) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:18:00) Rosalyn_J: This was meant to be a very short opportunity to connect and we are coming up on the end
(05:18:33) Rosalyn_J: Are there any more discussion points or quick questions we can answer before we get to recite the Creed together?
(05:18:58) Twigga: Only thanks for the perspectives - all been interesting
(05:19:16) steamboat28: I believe that in some cases, the "yet" code can be interpreted "in the midst of"...that we may have Peace in the midst of our Emotion.
(05:19:34) steamboat28: I find that thought soothing when I am overcome.
(05:19:55) Rosalyn_J: Kind of like the eye of a storm?
(05:20:00) steamboat28: Precisely.
(05:20:56) Rosalyn_J: Arisaig, did you have any final thoughts or questions?
(05:21:05) Arisaig: i think im good.
(05:21:11) Rosalyn_J: ok great
(05:21:21) Rosalyn_J: With that, let us recite the Creed
(05:21:37) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(05:21:45) steamboat28: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(05:21:47) Arisaig: I am a Jedi, and instrument of peace;
(05:21:51) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of Peace;
(05:22:05) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:22:09) Arisaig: where there is hatred i shall bring love;
(05:22:14) steamboat28: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:22:19) Twigga: Where there is hatred , I shall bring Love;
(05:22:32) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:35) Arisaig: where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:43) steamboat28: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:45) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:22:58) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:02) Arisaig: where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:03) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:09) steamboat28: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:23:21) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:29) steamboat28: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:33) Arisaig: where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:36) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:23:49) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:23:52) Arisaig: where there is darkness, light;
(05:23:54) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:23:57) steamboat28: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:24:12) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:24:21) Arisaig: and where there is sadness, joy.
(05:24:21) steamboat28: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:24:24) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:24:32) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:24:37) Arisaig: I am a Jedi.
(05:24:39) steamboat28: I am a Jedi.
(05:24:47) Twigga: I am a JEdi
(05:25:07) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:09) Arisaig: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:16) steamboat28: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:30) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:25:44) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:25:47) Arisaig: To be understood as to understand.
(05:25:55) steamboat28: To be understood as to understand;
(05:25:56) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:26:14) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love
(05:26:23) Twigga: To be loved as to Love
(05:26:25) steamboat28: To be loved as to love
(05:26:25) Arisaig: to be loved as to love;
(05:26:41) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:26:46) Arisaig: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:26:51) steamboat28: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:26:54) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:27:11) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:14) Arisaig: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:20) steamboat28: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:22) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(05:27:42) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life
(05:27:44) Arisaig: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:27:46) steamboat28: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:28:19) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:28:28) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(05:28:31) Arisaig: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:28:32) steamboat28: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:28:42) Twigga: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:29:04) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all
(05:29:16) Arisaig: and may it be with you.
(05:29:30) Twigga: Thank you, Rosalyn
(05:29:33) steamboat28: And also with you.
(05:29:46) Rosalyn_J: Thank you all for coming
(05:29:51) steamboat28: Thank yo ufor hosting

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(05:01:26) Twigga: Morning Ros
(05:02:39) Rosalyn_J: Mornin Ill be right with ya
(05:02:58) Twigga: take your time
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(05:06:48) Temple remote: Rosalyn_J logs into the Chat.
(05:07:09) Twigga: I'm just practising verbs and their prepositions in Dutch... Learning sucks sometimes. But It'll be nice to speak to neighbours without sounding like a moron
(05:07:36) Twigga: Anything fun lined up for you today?
(05:08:45) Rosalyn_J: Im doin alright
(05:08:54) Rosalyn_J: we changed our clocks forward
(05:09:06) Rosalyn_J: my body feels like its only 12:00
(05:09:06) Twigga: Ah!
(05:09:28) Rosalyn_J: thats why Im draggin
(05:09:33) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(05:09:39) Twigga:
(05:09:54) Rosalyn_J: ready for Jedi are in touch with the Force?
(05:10:16) Twigga: Huh! nope; but yes.
(05:10:33) Rosalyn_J: lol
(05:10:35) Rosalyn_J: 1. Jedi are in touch with the Force. We are open to spiritual awareness and keep our minds in tune with the beauty of the world. We are forever learning and open our minds to experiences and knowledge of ourselves and others.
(05:10:38) Twigga:
(05:10:44) Rosalyn_J: There is the teaching
(05:11:10) Rosalyn_J: Its one of the easier ones to meditate on
(05:11:42) Rosalyn_J: How can we keep our minds in touch with the beauty of the world today?
(05:13:14) Rosalyn_J: Twigga?
(05:13:16) Twigga: That bit - I think - is one of the easier bits. It's about changing perspectives if you're not really seeing beauty, appreciating the beauty of the world.
(05:13:34) Rosalyn_J: Ah
(05:13:55) Rosalyn_J: Yes, similar to my thoughts on the matter
(05:13:55) Twigga: Here's where gratitude can get in, right under your skin, even when it's not so beautiful.
(05:14:14) Rosalyn_J: thats really good
(05:14:36) Twigga: 'cause you've been lucky enough to know it better. And that can bring you hope.
(05:14:47) Rosalyn_J: Sometimes it can be difficult to see beauty within the people that we work with as well
(05:14:58) Rosalyn_J: or communicate with on a daily basis
(05:15:04) Twigga:
(05:15:12) Twigga: Yep!
(05:15:14) Rosalyn_J: because our narratives have already been created for them
(05:15:44) Twigga: Good point. The closer they are, the harder they can fall.
(05:15:51) Rosalyn_J: so, today, maybe we could work on reforming or removing those
(05:16:12) Rosalyn_J: because they really do get in the way of genuine connection
(05:16:13) Twigga: *nods* nice idea.
(05:17:08) Rosalyn_J: What about the second portion here about knowledge? What are your thoughts?
(05:19:40) Twigga: Yes, this meditation get's easier for me in the third sentence. I have a love-hate relationship with education; but with talking to people; generally being open to PEOPLE and ideas - that's fine... Education learning touches on rationality; the ability to understand - which is important - so I should probably open that love-hate relationship up into just being a "love" one...
(05:20:28) Twigga: The ability to understand is part of that connection. When I say it's "important" - the word underestimaes... important.
(05:21:21) Twigga: "Educuation - to lead out of darkness" - a nice definition I heard (ex ducare)
(05:21:46) Rosalyn_J: Sometimes it can be hard to differentiate traditional education from "learning"
(05:22:11) Rosalyn_J: ah but thats really good (ex ducare)
(05:22:28) Twigga: I don't know latin - might want to check that before you use it.
(05:22:48) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:23:17) Rosalyn_J: What I have tried to remember is that learning is ever a process
(05:23:49) Rosalyn_J: whenever we think we "know" something, we close off our minds to different perspectives
(05:24:02) Rosalyn_J: that can often have negative effects
(05:25:05) Twigga: Been there, and got the "Arrogance" t-shirt with tie-dye effect.
(05:25:16) Rosalyn_J: hehe
(05:25:20) Twigga:
(05:25:35) Rosalyn_J: well we are coming up on the end of our time together
(05:25:43) Twigga: I still like to visit for holidays.
(05:25:57) Rosalyn_J:
(05:26:10) Rosalyn_J: Would you like to recite the Creed with me?
(05:26:14) Twigga: Thanks Ros - it was nice! Glad we managed to dodge the first sentence
(05:26:23) Twigga: Yes! That's be lovely.
(05:26:29) Rosalyn_J: oh
(05:26:35) Rosalyn_J: I forgot that part
(05:26:37) Rosalyn_J: dangit
(05:26:58) Rosalyn_J: We should do that first part
(05:27:01) Twigga: no no, I'm good - heaps too much mystery there for me.
(05:27:04) Twigga:
(05:27:12) Rosalyn_J: Jedi are in touch with the Force is a solid line
(05:27:35) Rosalyn_J: How do we maintain "in touch with the Force"?
(05:28:45) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:28:57) Rosalyn_J: hello E
(05:29:09) Twigga: I let the Force be in touch with the Jedi if that's what it wants to do.
(05:29:18) Proteus: hello
(05:29:29) Twigga: Just - let it get on with it's thing, while I get on with mine. Seems fair.
(05:29:40) Rosalyn_J: I would say that the Jedi is always in touch with the Force
(05:29:41) Twigga: Hi Proteus!
(05:30:09) Rosalyn_J: whatever we do to help ourselves be aware of it via meditation or ritual is just that
(05:30:18) Rosalyn_J: an exercise in awareness
(05:30:56) Proteus: are we talking about being in touch with the Force?
(05:31:02) Rosalyn_J: yep
(05:31:24) Twigga: just a light topic, you know, for the Monday morning
(05:31:33) Rosalyn_J:
(05:32:10) Proteus: tricky one, that
(05:32:24) Proteus: "how do we bite our own teeth"
(05:32:40) Twigga: ^
(05:32:46) Rosalyn_J: lol
(05:33:10) Proteus: this is where you say "SHUT UP, WATTS!"
(05:33:27) Proteus:
(05:33:31) Twigga: right!
(05:33:32) Rosalyn_J: I've gotten really close when I have eaten too quickly
(05:33:40) Twigga: Ha ha ha
(05:33:47) Rosalyn_J: biting one's tongue hurts
(05:34:47) Proteus: I've come to wonder if i'm most in touch with the force when I have forgotten about it completely, and am instead just immersed naturally in whatever i am doing.
(05:35:06) Rosalyn_J: there is that too
(05:35:16) Rosalyn_J: "in flow" as they call it
(05:36:03) Rosalyn_J: In any case, you both are free to continue to discuss after the Creed
(05:36:17) Rosalyn_J: but if we don't stop now, I will be late for the bus
(05:36:26) Twigga: let's Creed this!
(05:36:40) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:36:51) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:37:15) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:37:28) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring Love;
(05:37:37) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:37:46) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:37:58) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:38:08) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:38:24) Temple remote: Proteus has been logged out (Timeout).
(05:38:26) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:38:29) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:38:43) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:38:57) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:39:11) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:39:25) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:39:38) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:39:48) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:39:55) Twigga: I am a Jedi.
(05:40:13) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:40:29) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:40:58) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:41:02) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:41:17) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(05:41:25) Twigga: To be loved as to love.
(05:41:39) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:41:51) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:42:05) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:42:22) Twigga: It is in pardnoing that we are pardoned;
(05:42:42) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:42:55) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:43:11) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(05:43:23) Twigga: the force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:43:38) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all
(05:43:52) Twigga: Have a good day Rosalyn! And thank you!
(05:44:02) Rosalyn_J: Thank you

(04:59:44) Rosalyn_J: Hello!!
(04:59:56) Rosalyn_J: finished with the bike ride?
(05:00:09) Twigga: Yep! Just landed back home
(05:00:20) Twigga: How're you this morning? Sleep well?
(05:00:25) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:00:41) Rosalyn_J: ah two people
(05:00:50) Rosalyn_J: ./pressure increases
(05:00:52) Rosalyn_J:
(05:01:04) Rosalyn_J: whats say we get started
(05:01:08) Proteus stares anxiously at Ros, waiting
(05:01:13) Proteus:
(05:01:24) Rosalyn_J: today's meditation is on teaching 2
(05:01:26) Rosalyn_J: 2. Jedi maintain a clear mind; which can be achieved through meditation and contemplation. Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. We must work on overcoming our individual issues through training and diligence.
(05:01:47) Rosalyn_J: Lots of good stuff there
(05:02:32) Rosalyn_J: I'll be honest in saying that meditation isn't exactly my strong suit
(05:02:48) Rosalyn_J: what is "commonly" known as meditation
(05:03:11) Rosalyn_J: but I like the idea of contemplation. Which is why I started this
(05:03:35) Twigga: I haven't much of a clue as to what counts as Meditation after Watts - seems like Everything counts
(05:04:02) Rosalyn_J: its been years since I heard that lecture
(05:04:13) Proteus: Paying attention to one's self perhaps?
(05:05:00) Rosalyn_J: (must resist temptation to begin discussion on "self")
(05:05:28) Twigga: I'm suspecting it may be more as such Proteus... but it's very difficult to "switch off" the "outside".
(05:05:42) Proteus: "What is my breath doing?" ... "What am I hearing?" ... "What am I feeling?" ... "What am I thinking?" (yet observing these things from a distance)
(05:06:14) Rosalyn_J: explain that a bit more Twigga
(05:08:59) Twigga: There was a nice "breathing" meditation, a guided one, from Nhat .... somethign something... really sorry I can't remember his name - I'm a terrible speller with things like that.
(05:09:39) Twigga: That clicks for me with what Proteus was talking about. First time I felt "self" -ish about meditation time.
(05:10:01) Twigga: not just "maintainancy"...
(05:10:34) Rosalyn_J: If you find that link I am sure we would all benefit
(05:11:00) Rosalyn_J: any other thoughts, E?
(05:11:23) Twigga: It's in Insight timer. Thich Nhat Hanh!
(05:11:35) Rosalyn_J: oh solid
(05:11:49) Twigga: Good dude that one.
(05:12:26) Proteus: I don't have anything else unless you would like me to.
(05:12:41) Rosalyn_J: Lets talk about this next part "Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. "
(05:13:09) Rosalyn_J: Any thoughts?
(05:13:19) Proteus: Why is it that meditation helps us be calmer and more ready for things around us?
(05:13:56) Twigga: I love the "unduely troubled" bit. For me I feel like it's a compassionate "you can rest when you're weary" thing. I like that a lot.
(05:14:42) Twigga: due concern, yes. due trouble, yes. but balance.
(05:15:06) Rosalyn_J: there is something to be said for what qualifies as news
(05:15:25) Rosalyn_J: watch enough of that and you'd think the end of the world was upon us
(05:15:48) Proteus: Can news also come from inside of us?
(05:16:05) Rosalyn_J: can you expand that?
(05:16:11) Proteus: Like "This just in: I haven't paid my bills this month, I feel like hell"
(05:16:20) Rosalyn_J: ah that
(05:16:28) Twigga:
(05:16:34) Rosalyn_J: it happens
(05:16:52) Rosalyn_J: but it also goes with what we put our attention on
(05:16:59) Proteus: perhaps there are reporters not only out there in the world we shouldn't buy into but reporters inside our own heads as well?
(05:17:06) Rosalyn_J: what is allowed before our senses
(05:17:16) Twigga: I think our internal journalist definitely counts.
(05:17:33) Rosalyn_J: yeah I'm right there with you
(05:17:39) Proteus: "Breaking News: I have offended someone I care about! I'm a horrible friend!"
(05:17:49) Rosalyn_J: lol
(05:18:00) Rosalyn_J: me at least once a week
(05:18:01) Twigga: And then you need to fake-news debunk that info too.
(05:18:18) Proteus: Would you say meditation helps us turn away from the inner "TV"? even "turn down the volume"?
(05:18:43) Rosalyn_J: yes, as with outer so with inner
(05:18:50) Rosalyn_J: and vis versa
(05:19:05) Twigga: I really dunno. As I said; I'm not sure I've really grasped meditation - but I'm still exploring stuff.
(05:19:19) Rosalyn_J: me either Twigga
(05:19:30) Proteus: Does meditation require lots of ritual?
(05:19:51) Rosalyn_J: I don't know if grasping is the goal
(05:19:59) Rosalyn_J: bit like grasping air
(05:20:20) Rosalyn_J: "I know how to do this thing"
(05:20:36) Proteus: How do you move your hand?
(05:20:42) Rosalyn_J: we shut our minds down to difference and to opportunities of learning
(05:21:24) Twigga: I'm taking a week out in April which I'm really looking forward to. That's going to be a return to a semi-ritual sung form of meditation; that eventually goes to silence. It was over 10 years, well over 10 years, I practised it. It'll be interested to see how it feels again after so long.
(05:21:44) Twigga: *interesting
(05:22:03) Rosalyn_J: sounds good
(05:22:11) Twigga: Might fit, might not. Worth exploring.
(05:22:39) Rosalyn_J: but remember, one doesn't have to be 'doing' meditation to meditate
(05:22:53) Twigga: ^ Watts
(05:23:40) Twigga: Nakis does cleaning meditation!
(05:23:47) Twigga: I loved that idea!
(05:24:14) Twigga: Preston, mindful eating....
(05:24:38) Rosalyn_J: this could be considered meditation as well
(05:24:52) Rosalyn_J: if you're not doing 200 things at the same time
(05:24:58) Rosalyn_J: ok guys
(05:25:31) Rosalyn_J: There is so much more we could say, but alas, the time has come to end for today
(05:26:02) Rosalyn_J: are there any more parting thoughts?
(05:26:20) Proteus: Just a smile
(05:26:34) Twigga:
(05:26:49) Rosalyn_J: Alright, please join me in reciting the Creed
(05:27:05) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:27:11) Proteus: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:27:22) Twigga: I am a Jedi, and instrument of Peace
(05:27:26) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love'
(05:27:36) Proteus: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(05:27:37) Twigga: where there is hatred, I shall bring Love
(05:28:03) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:28:08) Proteus: Where there is injury, pardon
(05:28:13) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:28:20) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:28:25) Proteus: Where there is doubt, faith
(05:28:27) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:28:37) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:28:42) Proteus: Where there is despair, hope
(05:28:47) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:28:58) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:29:04) Proteus: Where there is darkness, light
(05:29:05) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:29:20) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:29:26) Proteus: And where there is sadness, joy
(05:29:30) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:29:39) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:29:44) Twigga: I am a Jedi.
(05:29:45) Proteus: I am a Jedi.
(05:30:04) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:30:08) Proteus: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console
(05:30:17) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:30:31) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:30:36) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:30:38) Proteus: To be understood as to understand
(05:30:51) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(05:30:56) Proteus: To be loved as to love
(05:30:58) Twigga: To be loved as to Love
(05:31:09) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:31:17) Proteus: For it is in giving that we receive
(05:31:21) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:31:36) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:31:42) Proteus: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(05:31:50) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:32:05) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:13) Proteus: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:19) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:35) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:32:43) Proteus: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:32:54) Twigga: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:33:12) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both and may the Force be with you
(05:33:34) Proteus: Thank you Ros, you as well
(05:33:49) Twigga: Thanks again Ros! I hope you have a lovely day. Good luck catching the bus!

(05:04:53) Rosalyn_J: mornin
(05:05:08) Rosalyn_J: ah, hey E
(05:05:10) Proteus: hello
(05:05:15) Rosalyn_J: Lets get started
(05:05:17) Twigga: How're things for you today Ros, Proteus?
(05:05:26) Twigga: Sure
(05:05:48) Rosalyn_J: pretty good
(05:05:52) Rosalyn_J: you?
(05:06:12) Proteus: Not bad. Energy is a bit low but that's solvable.
(05:06:18) Twigga: Nice morning here. Rainy. I like rain.
(05:07:01) Twigga: *hands Proteus digital coffee*
(05:07:14) Rosalyn_J: ok here we are at #4
(05:07:17) Rosalyn_J: I think
(05:07:27) Rosalyn_J: 4. Jedi are wary of attachments, both material and personal. The obsession over possessions and people creates the fear of losing those possessions and relationships which can cause ourselves to be trapped in a state of depression and loss.
(05:08:05) Rosalyn_J: Thoughts here
(05:08:08) Rosalyn_J: ?
(05:08:41) Twigga: I kicked off a whole IP Study Hall thread about this one. The more I think about it, the more I find it disagrees with me.
(05:09:12) Rosalyn_J: how so?
(05:09:20) Temple remote: steamboat28 logs into the Chat.
(05:09:46) Proteus: Once a person truly realizes they will one day die, along with everyone else around them, it helps one to learn how to appreciate everything around them all the more. When the realization is true, they will no that clinging to anything is futile, and they will appreciate what there is for what it is in the moment.
(05:09:57) steamboat28: I think too many people are attached to the idea of attachments.
(05:10:28) Proteus: True appreciation comes from realizing its temperance.
(05:11:13) Twigga: Not caring about people and stuff also kinda sucks.
(05:11:24) Twigga: That's possibnly the safest way I can phrase it.
(05:11:30) steamboat28: i don't think attachment is "not caring".
(05:11:31) Proteus: If we think about how some people who have decided to kill themselves act, we see that many of them suddenly become very happy, and very deep, very honest.
(05:11:38) Rosalyn_J: People and things are not the only things we can be attached to
(05:11:40) steamboat28: or rather the lack of attachment isnt "not caring"
(05:11:51) Rosalyn_J: we can be attached to "ideas"
(05:11:51) Proteus: Because they have accepted their fate and know that nothing matters except for the experience they are having.
(05:12:27) steamboat28: Not having attachments is refusing to allow things to control you.
(05:12:33) Rosalyn_J: the same phenomenon can be seen with the terminally ill
(05:13:22) Rosalyn_J: people can also become attached to "status'" and "identities"
(05:13:26) steamboat28: My *** used to be attached to money, until I didn't have any, and learned there were still ways to eat without it.
(05:14:23) Rosalyn_J: I'm more attached to food than what we use to buy it
(05:14:37) Rosalyn_J: if someone cooks for me they are instantly my favorite person
(05:14:37) Twigga: ^
(05:14:45) Twigga: Come visit!
(05:15:18) steamboat28: I'm not "attached" to my friends or family in the Buddhist manner of speaking, though I care for them a very great deal. non-attachment isn't about apathy, it's about recognizing impermanence.
(05:15:32) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:15:40) Proteus: agreed
(05:15:57) Twigga: But you might need to get attached before you can be unattached?
(05:15:59) Rosalyn_J: if I may its also about allowing our minds/hearts to be open to new possibilities
(05:16:54) Proteus: how about attachment to one's self?
(05:16:54) Rosalyn_J: I think attachment now a day is a natural state because we are less communal and more individual
(05:17:01) Proteus: one's own beliefs and views
(05:17:08) Proteus: *convictions
(05:17:13) steamboat28: that's true. My grandfather used to say "I won't always be here to help you through these things." I knew one day I'd have to live in a world without his guidance, so I cherished it more while I was receiving it, because that new world was going to need those old teachings.
(05:17:21) Rosalyn_J: yeah thats what I was getting at a bit ago
(05:18:35) Rosalyn_J: we are coming up on the end of our time together
(05:18:38) steamboat28: Attachment to ideas is specifically terrifying to me, because it's what causes extremist fundamentalists.
(05:18:58) Twigga: I think attachment to self is pretty important; but we're not our beliefs/views/convictions.
(05:19:05) Rosalyn_J: well some of us have an attachment to the idea of Jedi
(05:19:22) Rosalyn_J: or to the idea of Knight
(05:19:42) Rosalyn_J: or Councillor or any number of things just here in this temple
(05:20:42) Twigga: (Thank a councillor today!) <- Attached to this thread. And the IP Study Hall chats.
(05:20:52) Twigga:
(05:21:07) Twigga: I think that's healthy attachment.
(05:21:29) Rosalyn_J: ok guys
(05:21:33) Twigga: But it could get out of hand if I mention it when Ros is trying to wrap up!
(05:21:40) Rosalyn_J: we've gotta wrap it up
(05:22:08) Rosalyn_J: more than welcome to continue the discussion after we are finished with the Creed
(05:22:18) Rosalyn_J: Ready?
(05:22:24) Twigga: yep
(05:22:34) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi an instrument of peace;
(05:22:44) Twigga: I am a Jedi an instrument of peace;
(05:23:16) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:23:31) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring Love;
(05:23:45) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:23:53) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:24:07) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:24:09) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:24:22) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:24:27) Temple remote: Proteus has been logged out (Timeout).
(05:24:35) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:24:50) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:25:00) Twigga: Where ther is darkness, lig;
(05:25:04) Twigga: ht
(05:25:20) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, Joy;
(05:25:32) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:25:38) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi
(05:25:44) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(05:25:59) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:26:23) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:26:30) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand
(05:26:42) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(05:26:51) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love
(05:27:00) Twigga: To be loved as to Love;
(05:27:13) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:27:30) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve;
(05:27:44) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:27:54) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:28:13) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:28:27) Twigga: And it isi in dying that we're born to eternal life.
(05:28:44) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:28:58) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(05:29:23) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all. Have a great (rest of your) day!!
(05:29:31) Twigga: Thanks Rosalyn!
(05:29:44) steamboat28:
(05:29:48) Twigga: All the best for your work day!

(05:00:44) Rosalyn_J: hey twigga
(05:01:00) Twigga: Hi Ros How are you?
(05:01:13) Rosalyn_J: pretty good
(05:01:16) Rosalyn_J: you?
(05:01:47) Twigga: Happy reconnected. Dinner with new friends last night.
(05:02:10) Rosalyn_J: woot
(05:02:20) Rosalyn_J: whats say we get started?
(05:02:26) Twigga: Sure
(05:02:42) Rosalyn_J: Here we are at the 5th teaching: Jedi understand that well-being consists in the physical, the mental and the spiritual. A Jedi trains each to ensure they remain capable of performing their duties to the best of their ability. All of these are interconnected and essential parts of our training in becoming more harmonious with the Force.
(05:03:20) Rosalyn_J: what are your thoughts?
(05:03:39) Twigga: I dunno for sure, but I feel like one of the IP essays comes out of this one - the "Body and mind" essay.
(05:04:00) Rosalyn_J: Right
(05:04:25) Twigga: Wrangling with that essay's been ... interesting
(05:05:00) Rosalyn_J: One of the mistakes I made early on in my training was trying to do practices for all three every day
(05:05:00) Twigga: So I am seeing the interconneded-ness of them all... but also the huge difficulty of balance.
(05:05:16) Twigga: yeah?
(05:05:27) Twigga: How was that for you?
(05:05:28) Rosalyn_J: Yes
(05:05:38) Rosalyn_J: I burned out quite quickly
(05:05:50) Rosalyn_J: I got frustrated and I beat myself up
(05:06:05) Rosalyn_J: because I was trying to meet a "standard"
(05:06:16) Twigga: Hah! Good thing to learn then - 'cause it SOUNDS sensible.
(05:06:42) Rosalyn_J: I know how I get when I "fail"
(05:06:58) Twigga: I liked Senan's line - something about - you're only trying to improve on yourself - you are your own standard.
(05:07:23) Rosalyn_J: so what I have learned to do is to develop a habit for one thing I want to increase in my life
(05:07:48) Rosalyn_J: right now, its physical wellness and the habit is going to the gym 3 times a week
(05:08:15) Twigga: *nods* that's cool.
(05:08:19) Rosalyn_J: I am quite happy to have a support which takes me to the gym, making the development of the habit a bit easier
(05:09:00) Rosalyn_J: I also know I like to go to extremes in these departments
(05:09:27) Rosalyn_J: If I didnt do physical exercise everyday it wasnt "good enough"
(05:09:44) Rosalyn_J: well one has to ask one's self, good enough for "who"?
(05:09:58) Twigga: ... balance again? With Senan's definition as the standard, self-love removes "fail".
(05:10:35) Rosalyn_J: remembering that is a daily, minute-ly, hourly thing
(05:11:18) Rosalyn_J: anyhow, what are your thoughts?
(05:12:09) Twigga: On doing one thing at a time? I'm a do what I feel like doing anytime kinda person.
(05:13:02) Twigga: On the basis that people are generally nice, most of the stuff I do is nice. I'm not too planned or worried about that.
(05:13:20) Rosalyn_J: that works too
(05:13:28) Twigga: But not EVERYTHING is nice - that's where the tweaking comes in
(05:13:36) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:16:07) Twigga: But I'm kinda new still to this whole "training/duty" stuff. I try my best to keep my commitments to myself. I keep those quite small and time limited in number. Not keeping a commitment to myself? I don't handle that well. But I feel THAT is outside the scope of this particular teaching.
(05:17:01) Twigga: I have committed to IP, however long it takes, and getting my body in better shape to "live a long time" until April 15th.
(05:17:26) Twigga: Brains wise, I commit to my work.
(05:17:49) Rosalyn_J: wait, I got confused
(05:18:05) Twigga: I see that a bit different from mental though - more intellectual.
(05:18:09) Rosalyn_J: you wanna live a long time til April 15?
(05:18:15) Twigga:
(05:18:53) Twigga: Nope - I want to commit to get my body in shape as though I am going to live a long time until April 15th.
(05:19:02) Twigga: Because I might
(05:19:06) Rosalyn_J: I see
(05:19:23) Rosalyn_J: well thats wonderful and this discussion has been great
(05:19:40) Rosalyn_J: Any last thoughts?
(05:19:42) Twigga: Not caring for it would make living a long time more difficult
(05:19:56) Rosalyn_J: right, I gotcha
(05:20:24) Twigga: I see mental and spiritual VERY interconnected. More so than with body.
(05:20:47) Rosalyn_J: so they are all not balanced in their connection?
(05:20:53) Twigga: But that's a perceptions thing. On that front, I think we're all different.
(05:21:07) Rosalyn_J: right
(05:21:08) Twigga: for me, they are not evenly weighted.
(05:21:24) Twigga: so everyone's "balance" will be different
(05:21:43) Twigga: and I wish you huge success in keeping your gym committments.
(05:21:43) Rosalyn_J: its hard for me to tell the difference between spiritual and mental
(05:21:57) Rosalyn_J: I been goin strong on that one
(05:22:14) Rosalyn_J: once the habit is firmly fixed I can move on to nutrition
(05:22:15) Twigga: yeah?
(05:22:23) Twigga: Nice.
(05:22:26) Rosalyn_J: yeah
(05:22:37) Twigga: Sounds tasty! Though I hope you still enjoy your ramen.
(05:22:37) Rosalyn_J: stared in October 2017
(05:23:07) Twigga: nice! Nearly 6 months then!
(05:23:12) Rosalyn_J: my focus on nutrition will have to include not eating out as often
(05:23:23) Twigga:
(05:23:32) Rosalyn_J: Oh when you say it like that it sounds wonderful!
(05:23:41) Twigga: Unofficial discord has a cooking channel if you want ideas!
(05:23:50) Twigga: It IS wonderful.
(05:23:52) Rosalyn_J: yeah I saw
(05:24:13) Twigga: Keeping commitments to yourself is one of the nicest things I think you can do for you.
(05:24:21) Temple remote: Proteus logs into the Chat.
(05:24:21) Twigga: I really enjoy it.
(05:24:28) Rosalyn_J: aw
(05:24:35) Rosalyn_J: E we are wrapping up
(05:24:48) Proteus: aw
(05:25:00) Rosalyn_J: more than welcome to have a discussion after the Creed though!
(05:25:21) Rosalyn_J: Ready twigga?
(05:25:30) Twigga: Typing fingers are go
(05:25:41) Rosalyn_J: Ready E?
(05:26:08) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:26:23) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(05:26:36) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(05:26:46) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring Love;
(05:26:59) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:27:11) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(05:27:37) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:27:43) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(05:27:56) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:28:06) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(05:28:17) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:28:24) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(05:28:41) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:28:48) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(05:28:59) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(05:29:05) Twigga: I am a Jedi.
(05:29:23) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(05:29:39) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be console as to console;
(05:29:56) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(05:30:05) Twigga: to be understood as to understand;
(05:30:14) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love;
(05:30:24) Twigga: to be loved as to Love ;
(05:30:37) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(05:30:48) Twigga: For it is in giving that we recieve
(05:31:04) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:31:15) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(05:31:34) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:31:48) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(05:32:07) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always for I am a Jedi.
(05:32:21) Twigga: The Force is with me always for I am a Jedi.
(05:32:32) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all