IP Q and A

Twigga wrote: Is the Initiate made aware of which Knights are checking their journal before they begin?

Is it possible for them to request an alternative reader if they feel uncomfortable with the judgements of a particular person being passed on their journal? (unfortunately, personality clashes do happen, and we are all human...)

Not usually unless the Knight tells them. It's kind of a "I'm free, I've got this" kind of thing.

That's part of the reason for the two person checks is to ensure fairness. There's not an official policy in place about having someone else check out a journal but depending on the circumstance, it could be done. Typically with the way we record and share how we check and what message we sent to the Novice, there's oversight on the process.

But say you feel I'm being unreasonable in my requirements on your journal because I'm holding a grudge that you wouln't share your last mint with me . You are welcome to go to any Knight and bring it up with them. They already have access to your journal, and the IP checks section of the forum, so can see the requirements I'm making of you (provided I'm reporting them but then you can submit screen shots and all that and that's a bigger deal than just butting heads over the IP)

If you don't feel comfortable with any Knight, you could either start with your IP Team Sponsor (if you have one), the IP Team Lead (MadHatter) if you're comfortable with him, or you could even reach out to the Clergy too. If they're not Knights themselves, they'll know who can help you. But anyone else can look into it and see if I'm being fair and just holding up the standards, or are trying to keep you from making Initiate. (because mints are worth fighting for!)

I suppose this is all a kind of unnoficial process... that a new Novice wouldn't know. I think we need to find a good place to put something like this. *puff*

Next question: My journal is FAR from tidy. It's not just that I have stuff in there that's out of the IP order, but I have stuff in there that really isn't IP! However I think much of it is informative on who/what/when/where/how... it's appropriate for a TM or the clergy to read; but probably not necessary if my only intention is to attain Initiate rank (Like my super heroine greeter-of-all-newcomers elizabeth). Is it better for me to make a separate "Read this for passing IP" journal, or am I better off just leaving it all for you guys to comb through? I have insights on "Jediism to me" in posts that I didn't stick a title on but on the other hand, I value your guys' time and it may only be necessary for a future TM or the seminary folks to read the WHOLE thing.

Twigga wrote: Next question: My journal is FAR from tidy. It's not just that I have stuff in there that's out of the IP order, but I have stuff in there that really isn't IP! However I think much of it is informative on who/what/when/where/how... it's appropriate for a TM or the clergy to read; but probably not necessary if my only intention is to attain Initiate rank (Like my super heroine greeter-of-all-newcomers elizabeth). Is it better for me to make a separate "Read this for passing IP" journal, or am I better off just leaving it all for you guys to comb through? I have insights on "Jediism to me" in posts that I didn't stick a title on but on the other hand, I value your guys' time and it may only be necessary for a future TM or the seminary folks to read the WHOLE thing.

You journal is your journal to arrange as you see fit. It just needs to include all the lessons! When I was doing the IP I wanted to watch my growth and mindset along with the IP so I posted my non-IP stuff right along with my IP in the same journal. My IP had separate posts and were titled with the lessons and that's really all we'd ask for. If they're not titled, we might miss it but that's a simple fix. All you''d have to do is send the link to where it is. We do have some standards were looking for (listed in the IP lessons themselves) but beyond that, the journals are for you, not for us. Do what helps you learn best. We can work around you!

We can link to individual posts?!? I don't know how to do that! Can you show me? I keep referring people to "fourth page in, third down"! :laugh: I think it could save everyone some spoons... In fact, that might be a nice way to get my journal in order for ease of reading - an "Index" with the links in... Some of my posts are well past the 1hr edit duration... *ponders*

The guidelines for the IP are pretty clear; however we all come from vastly different backgrounds. One person's best efforts will look quite different from another. Some will have given their all, but not have met requirements. The heart can be true Jedi, but the writing skills are just an insurmountable effort; particularly where English is a second language, or Specific Learning Difficulties are involved. How are those cases handled? On the other side, some of us may have met the guidelines, but it's clear to a knight-reader there's potentially more juice left in us. Do we, as Initiates, gain the benefit from all that reading and reflective work the knights do, and actually get questions for consideration and feedback on items, even when they are "Done"?

Twigga wrote: We can link to individual posts?!? I don't know how to do that! Can you show me? I keep referring people to "fourth page in, third down"! :laugh: I think it could save everyone some spoons... In fact, that might be a nice way to get my journal in order for ease of reading - an "Index" with the links in...

See the post number 319160 at the top of your post? That's a link to the specific post. You can right- click and copy that, then link it like:

Which looks like:

Twig's question about linking posts

Awesome!

As we are working through the IP if at some point we feel like we're losing direction or something similar, is there anyway we can ask for someone to review over what we have written so far? Just like a quick look over, to get some feedback?

Lizzy wrote: As we are working through the IP if at some point we feel like we're losing direction or something similar, is there anyway we can ask for someone to review over what we have written so far? Just like a quick look over, to get some feedback?

Hi Lizzy, we do have an IP-Team available, of which I am one (others can be found here ), and we are available to help with this sort of thing , you can also ask any of the knights if you wish

Thank you!

Twigga wrote: The guidelines for the IP are pretty clear; however we all come from vastly different backgrounds. One person's best efforts will look quite different from another. Some will have given their all, but not have met requirements. The heart can be true Jedi, but the writing skills are just an insurmountable effort; particularly where English is a second language, or Specific Learning Difficulties are involved. How are those cases handled? On the other side, some of us may have met the guidelines, but it's clear to a knight-reader there's potentially more juice left in us. Do we, as Initiates, gain the benefit from all that reading and reflective work the knights do, and actually get questions for consideration and feedback on items, even when they are "Done"?

The IP Team was built around giving folks some more individual attention and help where needed. But when I made it, I didn't realize the number of Novices we actually have!!

On ESL, or learning difficulties, we actually have arranged one time that I know of, special attention to a Novice. The plan was to hold a conversation with them after they had gone through the material to help reenforce what they learned. Then they could write out their response. There were two Knights who volunteered to help them with it.

The problem with a web pressence is the written word is the most convenient form of communication. Easiest way to record for a vast majority. But that doesn't mean we won't consider video journals or audio ones. Or recorded conversations in text or audio/video. These mostly depend on what Knights are available to provide dedicated time to walk a Novice through the lessons. I got the impression that what we offered for that Novice was new ground. They haven't made it through the IP yet so I can't say how that trial worked, but since it was offered once, I don't see why it couldn't happen again

The IP team can provide feedback as well as Knights. But it's up to the Knight if they are going to message you or write in your journal. You are always welcome to ask anyone to read over anything in your journal for some feedback too. When I send out messages to Novices on their final journal, I usually will praise a few things I really liked or sometmes comment on a half-formed thought. I just haven't had the time to do them in a long while.