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19 Mar 2018 16:08 #319142
by Kit
Policies on submission itself? Or how we check things? The submission is simply the Novice going to one of the POCs and saying "I'm done". Then the checking process is started. I can lay that out if you'd like
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Twigga wrote: Dear Kit,
What are the policies on IP submission?
I feel if there are some, we should know.
Policies on submission itself? Or how we check things? The submission is simply the Novice going to one of the POCs and saying "I'm done". Then the checking process is started. I can lay that out if you'd like
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19 Mar 2018 17:21 #319152
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Not usually unless the Knight tells them. It's kind of a "I'm free, I've got this" kind of thing.
That's part of the reason for the two person checks is to ensure fairness. There's not an official policy in place about having someone else check out a journal but depending on the circumstance, it could be done. Typically with the way we record and share how we check and what message we sent to the Novice, there's oversight on the process.
But say you feel I'm being unreasonable in my requirements on your journal because I'm holding a grudge that you wouln't share your last mint with me
. You are welcome to go to any Knight and bring it up with them. They already have access to your journal, and the IP checks section of the forum, so can see the requirements I'm making of you (provided I'm reporting them but then you can submit screen shots and all that and that's a bigger deal than just butting heads over the IP)
If you don't feel comfortable with any Knight, you could either start with your IP Team Sponsor (if you have one), the IP Team Lead (MadHatter) if you're comfortable with him, or you could even reach out to the Clergy too. If they're not Knights themselves, they'll know who can help you. But anyone else can look into it and see if I'm being fair and just holding up the standards, or are trying to keep you from making Initiate. (because mints are worth fighting for!)
I suppose this is all a kind of unnoficial process... that a new Novice wouldn't know. I think we need to find a good place to put something like this. *puff*
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Twigga wrote: Is the Initiate made aware of which Knights are checking their journal before they begin?
Is it possible for them to request an alternative reader if they feel uncomfortable with the judgements of a particular person being passed on their journal? (unfortunately, personality clashes do happen, and we are all human...)
Not usually unless the Knight tells them. It's kind of a "I'm free, I've got this" kind of thing.
That's part of the reason for the two person checks is to ensure fairness. There's not an official policy in place about having someone else check out a journal but depending on the circumstance, it could be done. Typically with the way we record and share how we check and what message we sent to the Novice, there's oversight on the process.
But say you feel I'm being unreasonable in my requirements on your journal because I'm holding a grudge that you wouln't share your last mint with me
. You are welcome to go to any Knight and bring it up with them. They already have access to your journal, and the IP checks section of the forum, so can see the requirements I'm making of you (provided I'm reporting them but then you can submit screen shots and all that and that's a bigger deal than just butting heads over the IP)If you don't feel comfortable with any Knight, you could either start with your IP Team Sponsor (if you have one), the IP Team Lead (MadHatter) if you're comfortable with him, or you could even reach out to the Clergy too. If they're not Knights themselves, they'll know who can help you. But anyone else can look into it and see if I'm being fair and just holding up the standards, or are trying to keep you from making Initiate. (because mints are worth fighting for!)
I suppose this is all a kind of unnoficial process... that a new Novice wouldn't know. I think we need to find a good place to put something like this. *puff*
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19 Mar 2018 17:37 #319154
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Next question: My journal is FAR from tidy. It's not just that I have stuff in there that's out of the IP order, but I have stuff in there that really isn't IP! However I think much of it is informative on who/what/when/where/how... it's appropriate for a TM or the clergy to read; but probably not necessary if my only intention is to attain Initiate rank (Like my super heroine greeter-of-all-newcomers elizabeth). Is it better for me to make a separate "Read this for passing IP" journal, or am I better off just leaving it all for you guys to comb through? I have insights on "Jediism to me" in posts that I didn't stick a title on 
but on the other hand, I value your guys' time and it may only be necessary for a future TM or the seminary folks to read the WHOLE thing.
but on the other hand, I value your guys' time and it may only be necessary for a future TM or the seminary folks to read the WHOLE thing. Please Log in to join the conversation.
19 Mar 2018 19:26 #319157
by Kit
You journal is your journal to arrange as you see fit. It just needs to include all the lessons! When I was doing the IP I wanted to watch my growth and mindset along with the IP so I posted my non-IP stuff right along with my IP in the same journal. My IP had separate posts and were titled with the lessons and that's really all we'd ask for. If they're not titled, we might miss it but that's a simple fix. All you''d have to do is send the link to where it is. We do have some standards were looking for (listed in the IP lessons themselves) but beyond that, the journals are for you, not for us. Do what helps you learn best. We can work around you!
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Twigga wrote: Next question: My journal is FAR from tidy. It's not just that I have stuff in there that's out of the IP order, but I have stuff in there that really isn't IP! However I think much of it is informative on who/what/when/where/how... it's appropriate for a TM or the clergy to read; but probably not necessary if my only intention is to attain Initiate rank (Like my super heroine greeter-of-all-newcomers elizabeth). Is it better for me to make a separate "Read this for passing IP" journal, or am I better off just leaving it all for you guys to comb through? I have insights on "Jediism to me" in posts that I didn't stick a title on
You journal is your journal to arrange as you see fit. It just needs to include all the lessons! When I was doing the IP I wanted to watch my growth and mindset along with the IP so I posted my non-IP stuff right along with my IP in the same journal. My IP had separate posts and were titled with the lessons and that's really all we'd ask for. If they're not titled, we might miss it but that's a simple fix. All you''d have to do is send the link to where it is. We do have some standards were looking for (listed in the IP lessons themselves) but beyond that, the journals are for you, not for us. Do what helps you learn best. We can work around you!
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19 Mar 2018 21:40 #319167
by Brick
Hi Lizzy, we do have an IP-Team available, of which I am one (others can be found here ), and we are available to help with this sort of thing, you can also ask any of the knights if you wish
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Lizzy wrote: As we are working through the IP if at some point we feel like we're losing direction or something similar, is there anyway we can ask for someone to review over what we have written so far? Just like a quick look over, to get some feedback?
Hi Lizzy, we do have an IP-Team available, of which I am one (others can be found here ), and we are available to help with this sort of thing
, you can also ask any of the knights if you wish
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20 Mar 2018 16:09 #319220
by Kit
The IP Team was built around giving folks some more individual attention and help where needed. But when I made it, I didn't realize the number of Novices we actually have!!
On ESL, or learning difficulties, we actually have arranged one time that I know of, special attention to a Novice. The plan was to hold a conversation with them after they had gone through the material to help reenforce what they learned. Then they could write out their response. There were two Knights who volunteered to help them with it.
The problem with a web pressence is the written word is the most convenient form of communication. Easiest way to record for a vast majority. But that doesn't mean we won't consider video journals or audio ones. Or recorded conversations in text or audio/video. These mostly depend on what Knights are available to provide dedicated time to walk a Novice through the lessons. I got the impression that what we offered for that Novice was new ground. They haven't made it through the IP yet so I can't say how that trial worked, but since it was offered once, I don't see why it couldn't happen again
The IP team can provide feedback as well as Knights. But it's up to the Knight if they are going to message you or write in your journal. You are always welcome to ask anyone to read over anything in your journal for some feedback too. When I send out messages to Novices on their final journal, I usually will praise a few things I really liked or sometmes comment on a half-formed thought. I just haven't had the time to do them in a long while.
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Twigga wrote: The guidelines for the IP are pretty clear; however we all come from vastly different backgrounds. One person's best efforts will look quite different from another. Some will have given their all, but not have met requirements. The heart can be true Jedi, but the writing skills are just an insurmountable effort; particularly where English is a second language, or Specific Learning Difficulties are involved. How are those cases handled? On the other side, some of us may have met the guidelines, but it's clear to a knight-reader there's potentially more juice left in us. Do we, as Initiates, gain the benefit from all that reading and reflective work the knights do, and actually get questions for consideration and feedback on items, even when they are "Done"?
The IP Team was built around giving folks some more individual attention and help where needed. But when I made it, I didn't realize the number of Novices we actually have!!
On ESL, or learning difficulties, we actually have arranged one time that I know of, special attention to a Novice. The plan was to hold a conversation with them after they had gone through the material to help reenforce what they learned. Then they could write out their response. There were two Knights who volunteered to help them with it.
The problem with a web pressence is the written word is the most convenient form of communication. Easiest way to record for a vast majority. But that doesn't mean we won't consider video journals or audio ones. Or recorded conversations in text or audio/video. These mostly depend on what Knights are available to provide dedicated time to walk a Novice through the lessons. I got the impression that what we offered for that Novice was new ground. They haven't made it through the IP yet so I can't say how that trial worked, but since it was offered once, I don't see why it couldn't happen again
The IP team can provide feedback as well as Knights. But it's up to the Knight if they are going to message you or write in your journal. You are always welcome to ask anyone to read over anything in your journal for some feedback too. When I send out messages to Novices on their final journal, I usually will praise a few things I really liked or sometmes comment on a half-formed thought. I just haven't had the time to do them in a long while.
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20 Mar 2018 16:26 #319223
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If im not mistaken it's Initiates and above that can volunteer for IP team (Gotta complete the work before you can help others. )
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20 Mar 2018 16:27 - 20 Mar 2018 16:32 #319225
by Brick
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I've searched the Forums and picked out a couple of bit and pieces that relate to the IP Team from previous threads. Hopefully this answers some of the basic queries without Kit having to type it all out again:
Kit wrote: The IP Team was built to help Novices through the Initiates Programme. Our purpose is to read your IP entries, and offer helpful guidance, answer questions, catch where the minimum standards aren't met (such as word count), and act as your cheer-leading squad! Our goal is to provide you with the support you need to complete the IP and hopefully minimize the questions the Knights will have when you submit it for approval.
You won't be seeing messages from us for all of your posts, but if you have a specific question about your journal or would like a review, please feel free to send one of us a message!
If you would like to opt out of the IP Team's attentions, please send me a PM and I'll make a note on our spreadsheet!
Kit Later wrote: I'm excited to announce that we are testing a new way to run the IP Team that involves our team members sponsoring Novices. This'll give Novices a little more individualized attention and quicker turn-around for final review submissions.
Kit Further wrote: The IP team is looking for volunteers! We're looking for people to fill the following roles:
Heralds (2-3 positions):
-message new novices to introduce the IP Team.
-Required rank: Initiate or higher
Sponsors (no limit):
-review an assigned caseload of IP journals (includes updating a checklist/spreadsheet) - minimum caseload is 5 journals
-answer questions from assigned novices
-advise IP Team Delegator of inactive or plagiarized journals
-Required Rank: Apprentice or higher
It's important to know that commitment and communication is key.
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