There is no truth...

"Is that which is correct the truth?" Does the correctness of the perception resonate with you on a personal level through the force? If so then in your perceived reality it is true. Another answer to this paradox would be that the truth requires perception, but perception does not require the truth.

How about there being both truth and perception? Seeking knowledge is a futile enterprise if you start with the presupposition, that there is nothing to be found. Granted, whatever truth may be, we can never be sure of having achieved it even if we have indeed (try and apply that thought to omniscience and you get another paradoxon, just for fun). Either way, as long as one's perception at least seems to be appliable to what you percieve as reality, that should be good enough within the context of that respective reality. An artificial sentience doesn't need to know it is artificial or who produced it where and when and how the world outside looks like (aka the truth) in order to adequately function within its virtual world - draw your analogy from here.

If you presuppose that truth and falsehood are indistinguishable and that all is a matter of perception, we might as well never tell children that there are no dragons or fairies... or witches (have a guess where that road leads) and leave schizophrenics unprotected, unrestrained and with no medical assistance.

[quote="Nephilim" post=118369 but perception does not require the truth.[/quote]

I agree but where can you go with that? Perception is deception?

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Nephilim wrote: but perception does not require the truth.

I agree but where can you go with that? Perception is deception?

In a way Rickie,

We perceive only what we know to be true, until we receive the truth of a thing itself. One such example is the simple sense of sight, some animals see in color, and some see in monochrome. To each, they would perceive the world is as they see it to be, however it is in fact neither of those things, and is instead simply the reception of vibrational energy as broken down and processed by the organisms brain which is receiving such input.

To perceive something and take such perception as fact, is to close ones mind off to the potentiality that something is different than it appears to be on the surface

To perceive something and take such perception as fact, is to close ones mind off to the potentiality that something is different than it appears to be on the surface

I agree. Perception is all we got unless you rely on intuition a lot and I do but some would say intuition is just a type of perception which I think is true as well.

I think one really shouldn't be too sure of ones self and keep you mind open to other/all possibilities.

We are limited creatures in an unlimited universe.

Rickie The Grey wrote:
Nephilim wrote:
but perception does not require the truth.

I agree but where can you go with that? Perception is deception?

Perceptions can indeed deceive. Case in point the phenomenon of optical illusions. These are perceived but they deceive us. They are not as they appear, so they misrepresent themselves. The statement Truth requires perception means exactly that. All things MUST be perceived. Once we perceive something we must then analyze it, and apply logic to it. If the perception can withstand this scrutiny and still stand on it's own merits, one can identify it as truth.

Ah, epistemological nihilism my old friend! :silly:

I don't know if I agree that there is NO truth. I do, however, find that its nigh impossible for humanity to grasp or even find ultimate truth in the universe.

Quantum mechanics teaches this. Life is all about perception. Once you read a book or just watch a few videos on Quantum Mechanics you will understand. Particles change based on the way "we the human" observe it. This means, if you can tap into different levels of observation, you may very well be able to manipulate the particles. The key here is "it is how you decide looking at what you are doing that determines your performance and understanding of that".

So what are the basics of observation?
first rules are to understand that life..."reality" (at least that which we are experiencing now) is nothing but linguistics and ideas. An idea that someone came up with, developed and then attached a word to it and gave it a definition, then distributed its concrete basis to societies. This is what makes a reality. The energy of thousands of people thinking that one thing is so. In that "thinking" is perception, it is how you think about it that your observation is based on. Obviously the more educated you are in more subjects the more ability you have with observation. Thinking and observing is a practice, you have to practice doing these things.

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Mareeka wrote: this thread is wow

WOW is NOW upside down - absent one line, in print anyway

AND

"Key 4: Once something is joined, it is always connected, whether it remains physically linked or not."

The Divine Matrix by Greg Braden

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