TOTJO Circle... Lets get this decided...

Akkarin wrote: My post was about using it officially with our rank badges, you can be as artistic as you like, but just for example look at all the current badges.

Everyone is black and white and the Councillor one is gold because... we're somehow special? They should all be the same, Alex would call it jewelry and I would agree.

In official circumstances we ought to use the official symbol, if you want to use it in artistic circumstances then use it however you like.

I appreciate your very valid opinion.

But I disagree with it as much as is humanly possible on the basis of design and visibility. Firstly, the rank badges as they are work "well*", with the exception of the circle/star, because they currently involve a lot of dark-color-on-dark-color and light-color-on-light-color nonsense. Secondly, why shouldn't the Councillor badges use a different color? Presumably, you folks run the joint. What's the point in rank symbols at all if everyone needs to be "equal"? We're not. We're all at different stages of this path and have different jobs on it.

Furthermore, are the rank badges "official"? Do they exist anywhere outside "right under our avatar"? I don't think they do, which would make them a visual representation of rank, and not actual valid rank insignia. If it's not actual valid rank insignia, then it's most likely unofficial, which means that it doesn't really matter if it's "white-on-black" or "black-on-white" or "chartreuse-on-mauve", does it?

Seriously, these threads are like watching average people on a cooking show, and I'm sat here shouting at the screen trying to get my point across, but nobody cares because they're all dead set on the fact that anchovies go in everything. I love you guys, but you really, really, really hurt my brain sometimes by refusing to listen to anybody who has expertise in a field if they disagree with you. It's like watching C-Span.


* this is actually a complete lie. they don't work that well at all. At least not at lower ranks, where Novice-to-Apprentice all share variations of the same color, because that gets super confusing with no other distinguishing marks. In addition to the poor contrast choices. I'm not knocking whoever designed them originally, and I'm definitely not knocking Vesha's hi-res designs. But, seriously, people. What are we doing?

we are talking about the budgets or about the logo and the identity?

I never see a coca cola logo en green and yellow .... why?

Rank bars:
http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/component/content/article/40-information/698-rank-bars

Also just because something isn't written in documentation doesn't mean it isn't official. There are still quite a few 'unwritten rules' around TotJO and the FaQ still contains numerous errors in places (the Simple Oath article was the first of more changes I'll make to it).

@666
http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/faq#TotJOSymbol

That is our symbol. I didn't write anything more on it because we have the picture, nothing more needs to be said as they can see it. Perhaps one day we will document it (maybe in a book of liturgy when we next write another), but until then it should do the job.

Really? Hm. Let's see what I can find...


No, that's not right...
How about:

Maybe if I...

Or...

What if I Google...


Well, seems you're right. Apparently the Coca-Cola logo is always, always, always, white-on-red and never, ever changes. Ever.

Akkarin wrote: Rank bars:
http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/component/content/article/40-information/698-rank-bars

Also just because something isn't written in documentation doesn't mean it isn't official. There are still quite a few 'unwritten rules' around TotJO and the FaQ still contains numerous errors in places (the Simple Oath article was the first of more changes I'll make to it).

That doesn't make it more or less official. It's just a guideline to the pictures that pop up under our names. And in a purely online community, it's doubly important that "unwritten rules" are written down, because we're a global organization, and not everybody has the same base viewpoint coming into the Temple.

@ Akkarin, I know, some council members already told me that, and I do accept that as our logo, but for some reason, here is a now post about it, and the website, still have a wrong logo, (also in some other places... facebook, bla.. bla... bla...)
time to encourage the use of the real logo? maybe?, at lease in public places?

666 wrote: @ Akkarin, I know, some council members already told me that, and I do accept that as our logo, but for some reason, here is a now post about it, and the website, still have a wrong logo, (also in some other places... facebook, bla.. bla... bla...)
time to encourage the use of the real logo? maybe?, at lease in public places?

It's not wro..there is no rea...do you people understand how branding works, or should I just give the **** up and let you destroy the aesthetics of this gorgeous logo in peace?


edit - I apologize for the hostility in that post, but I don't understand why we don't take a moment to ask those of us that have had to deal with branding issues and graphic design and logo recognizability and heraldic function and contrast and negative space and ART and things what their opinion is, instead of all just harrumphing about "the way it ought to be"

lol, wow....

Hi steamboat...

We having fun?

Lol, OK, yes, we did agree thatbthe circle was officially a part...

I guess, my question is more "where is it officially needed?"

I also think 666's point was it doesn't change mid-campaign....

Yes, it changes, but, they do not officially use more than two versions at a time...

And even then, only in the transition form one to the other...

Rank bars, are official, page header, official....

Ecards sent out from TOTJO, official....

Ecards not sent out from TOTJO, such as posted by a member, unofficial...

Hows that?

Which means for the ecards, either mbets need to post them and tag TOTJO on Facebook/g+, or we need them with the official emblem too, to be posted officially...

Just to continue/adapt Steamboat's point...



...all of which are recognisably the same symbol, displayed in different ways. I appreciate the need to be clearer with the "official" usage, but I would say either the "star" or the "circle" are similarly identifiable... in some situations, one or the other looks better. Why limit ourselves?

As to colours, I agree they should be uniform if we're talking about stuff like rank bars, because otherwise it just looks a little messy, but beyond that also see no reason to restrict them further.

Just my 2c.

I give up.