TOTJO Circle... Lets get this decided...

so the new question is...

when or where we can use the real logo, and where we can use a work of art?

IMO, if you are representing totjo, you must use the real logo, ecards, must have the real logo, the website, documentation, business cards must have the real logo. every representation of totjo must be done with the real logo

an image I create inspired in the logo, I can post it anywhere, as a work of art, but is not representation of totjo, or is just for my use, or to show to the users here, not intended to be used as Public image.

a public image representing totjo, must have the real logo.



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this is my opnion, not representing anybody else than me
@steamboat28, like it or not, (like me) the logo exist, there was no contest to create a new logo, or there was no debate to improve it, change or modernize the logo, so we must use what is already there, if one day, totjo made a contest for a new logo, new design, update or whatever, we all can have ideas.... but till that day come.
the logo is there, it already exist, and nobody ask yet (officially) to be changed replaced, updated, or whatever.

anyway, we are all free to show up, new designs, new logos, new ideas... who knows, maybe you can create one, and everybody love it. and totjo swap logos.
again imo

Creating art that uses the logo is still a representation of the Temple regardless of where the material is used so unless we say only ever ever use that logo and never anything else (which I think i utterly silly) then it just comes down to official usage and unofficial usage.

The e-cards are created by other members and we decide to post them to our facebook page. Perhaps if we include say "Created by member......" [picture] that would get around it and give an indication that there are actually people contributing elsewhere.

Saying someone else created it would not be official representation but the Temple appreciating their artistic talent.

steamboat28 wrote: Well, seems you're right. Apparently the Coca-Cola logo is always, always, always, white-on-red and never, ever changes. Ever.

Thanks for the sarcasm, but the Coca-Cola logo is a trademark. Since you seem to feel like you are the only expert here, let me be clear.

A trademark, trade mark, or trade-mark[1] is a recognizable sign, design or expression which identifies products or services of a particular source from those of others. The trademark owner can be an individual, business organization, or any legal entity. A trademark may be located on a package, a label, a voucher or on the product itself. For the sake of corporate identity trademarks are also being displayed on company buildings.

As someone who works in a marketing capacity for a worldwide media company with more lawyers than anything else, I can assure you that these things are taken very seriously. You can "graphic design" anything to death, but the trademark is specifically what is legally registered by an entity to separate it from competition.

If you want to see viciously guarded trademarks and copyrights, you only need to look to the National Football League in the U.S.

When TOTJO decides to trademark a logo, that will be the only official one whether we use it exclusively or not. It will be the only legally protected mark in the eyes of the law. Until then, it will remain a point of contention.

Coca-Cola can change the colors and designs in it's marketing, but that doesn't make the entire design a trademarked Coca-Cola logo.

When in doubt, look for the ®

Senan wrote: ...long post...

Which is why, if you check the other thread I linked earlier, I requested TotJO to register the circle-less logo for trademark purposes as well as the "official" one. To provide them with versatility. #jussayin'

steamboat28 wrote:

Senan wrote: ...long post...

Which is why, if you check the other thread I linked earlier, I requested TotJO to register the circle-less logo for trademark purposes as well as the "official" one. To provide them with versatility. #jussayin'

Our current trademark isn't registered.

The US trademark filing fee is $800.00.

Br. John wrote: The US trademark filing fee is $800.00.

I'm putting that in my "Things to Donate Toward" list.

steamboat28 wrote:

Br. John wrote: The US trademark filing fee is $800.00.

I'm putting that in my "Things to Donate Toward" list.

We can and will honor specified donations and account for them. The only proviso is that if we were in danger of losing our domain or internet service special funds could be used if nothing else is available.

What's in a shape?

I personally find both symbols valid with their own intended purpose, and to use both would be appropriate considering the art of the Ecards and the unity they express and display... The nature of the force is expressed in the art of Ecards because the unity is in the art, the border of nature itself... We have the main symbol, with the circle, it is like the formal symbol, and then we have the informal symbol, E cards (art), etc... I would say they are both official... The one with the circle defines the group, the wholeness, completeness, etc... The one without, defines the individual, The relation of the subjective art and the interconnection of the symbol, and order...

Symbols always get misrepresented, or used and changed to fit a certain agenda... The cross for example, has been abused by Nazi Germany, the "iron cross" as it is called, and then christian groups began using it, unknown how it was affiliated... :woohoo: :sick:

That is my opinion, as I am no authority over the symbol, this is simply how I see it, and understand the symbol.

Llama Su wrote: Symbols always get misrepresented, or used and changed to fit a certain agenda... The cross for example, has been abused by Nazi Germany, the "iron cross" as it is called, and then christian groups began using it, unknown how it was affiliated... :woohoo: :sick:

The Iron Cross is a military decoration of honor or valor. You can find it in medieval heraldry all over the place. It is not a symbol that earned its origins in Nazi Germany nor do I think it was Christian in origin as crosses were used before Christianity. As (if I remember right) the swastika isn't Nazi in origin either. Nazi Germany used the Iron Cross as it was intended.

But to keep this more on topic: I like the logo. I like it in the black-and-white. It's simple, it's recognizable, and it's meaningful. I'd say keep the circle. It's a symbol found in many religions in a meaningful way. I think it's a great device to contain the black.