Matriculation in the Order

Over my… however many years it’s been now, I have seen a lot of people come and tell how they are this and that at different places. And good for them and where they did whatever at.

That said, this is not those places. Even if someone has already read everything in the IDP at some prior point in their life, the IDP is not about the past. The IDP is the Individual Development Program. As living beings we should never stop developing. Doing what is asked of the individual is a part of the IDP as well. If an individual knows it all already, then there is no need for them to be here. If they understand the hero’s journey and the masks that each person wears, then they know there is no “need” to have rank awarded.

There are those that believe completing assignments and learning different things should grant leveling up. I have never prescribed to the Nintendo way of advancement. The person either used the tools presented to grow as a person and we are comfortable with them holding a rank that would represent us publicly, or they did not.

My bro, this temple uses "completing assignments" as a way of ranking up...
Nobody said anything about a "nintendo " ranking system.
I was simply stating and suggesting,That if some one already has the knowledge that they would learn anyhow,Why make them pointlessly run laps? I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers,and can fully appreciate all the hard work that everyone has put in this place to earn they spots,But to be real, i appreciate my training as well and all the years i put into it. on the home page it states.."Whether you want to become a Jedi, are a real Jedi looking for additional training...This does not mean," throw all your spiritual training away,
Just to re learn the same things from our copy and pasted yet slightly modified shared information and creeds..just to be considered part of our temple or represent the temple,Publicly with a rank..." This is the last i will say... I respect all of the jedi in this place for i my self am a jedi,And a follower and child of the FORCE or the universe or how ever one chooses to see it, And i respect the rules,But agree to disagree.

No-one is made to "pointlessly run laps".

All study beyond the IP (the exact "get new members to complete some assignments so you can assess their potential" process you describe) is tailored to the individual.

No Knight or Master feels there is no point in further study, no room for further growth.

All that first paragraph is a nice thought,But if it does not really matter,Why is it a thing,
Why is certain people cut off from certain aspects of the site with out being authorized by "RANK"?

where did you get that? No one is really a master,because it is arrogance to say one has learned all their is about a subject,this is right,But that's not the issue,One never stops learning,But you can't re learn what you already know. Can you teach yourself to walk when you already do? Can you re learn how to ride a bike? unless one has a brain injury,
Nobody can re-learn anything,Just new stuff buddy.

Good for you...I'll line up your parade...But i did not demand anything..
I was simply making a point from another point of view..take it easy...

Drak wrote: where did you get that? No one is really a master,because it is arrogance to say one has learned all their is about a subject,this is right,But that's not the issue,One never stops learning,But you can't re learn what you already know. Can you teach yourself to walk when you already do? Can you re learn how to ride a bike? unless one has a brain injury,
Nobody can re-learn anything,Just new stuff buddy.

Many masters over the years have gone through the IP for a second, and even third time. They are not re-learning it, they are re-reading it with a new perspective. They also do this because it makes them better teachers. Because I am on the IP team, I have read some parts of the IP over 100 times. Every single novice has a different perspective with which they view the IP and each perspective has value. If you are already trained as you claim to be, then I would love to read your perspective about the IP as you complete each lesson. It would have value, it would add to the community. No one is metaphorically re-learning how to walk or ride a bicycle, they are training their minds to think in different perspectives.

If you have already learned everything the IP has to offer, it should be a breeze to go through it again. Even if you don't value the content, maybe a reader would greatly appreciate what you have to say - and you can teach by learning.

IMO I think the sheer fact that you haven’t done our training is exactly the reason for your assessment. Just from reading your post I get the impression that you lack patience, and don’t see the value in the “journey“. We have knights and masters here who redo the IP every few years just to see if, or how much they have changed. Opinions and views change over time. Beliefs change over time. People change over time.

The other point I will make is a simple one. We get new members here every week. It would shock you how many people came here making very close to the exact same argument you make, then as we dig deeper we learn that they are lying. People claiming to be knights and masters else wear don’t realize how interconnected the Jedi community is. We have a guest show up as claim there a master at FA not realizing we have leaders of the different aspects here, and they have never even heard of the person. I’m NOT saying that’s the case with you, or everyone, but it is something we have to keep in mind. It’s not hard to notice that you haven’t said which organization granted you the rank of master. I think that says something as well.

Bottom line I guess is to be a knight or master at TOTJO, you have to complete the TOTJO ip, apprenticeship with a TOTJO knight, and do the training our way. Underhanded comments about our “Cut and paste”doctrine Won’t win you any brownie points here either. It just shows that by TOTJO standards, your not ready to be an apprentice here, let alone a master.

Ps, ending a post with no disrespect intended, does not undo all the disrespect you just dished out.

It amazes me that i have tried to be clear.and state that i was only making a suggestion.
ALL OF YOU seem to have a problem with the idea of maybe a change by suggestion.
With every message i have also stated i meant no disrespect. I have plenty of patience,
if i didn't i would not still be here,reading of of your silly little replies,Speaking to me as if i where just throwing disrespect everywhere. You leave quotes by , Albert Einstein But fail to grasp the simplicity of a suggestion from some one who is new and may not understand the ways of this temple fully..So thanks for your very reductive comment.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
― Euripides, The Bacchae

Laurence J. Peter
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”
― Laurence J. Peter, The Peter Principle
Bertrand Russell
“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”
― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy