Matriculation in the Order

where did you get that? No one is really a master,because it is arrogance to say one has learned all their is about a subject,this is right,But that's not the issue,One never stops learning,But you can't re learn what you already know. Can you teach yourself to walk when you already do? Can you re learn how to ride a bike? unless one has a brain injury,
Nobody can re-learn anything,Just new stuff buddy.

Good for you...I'll line up your parade...But i did not demand anything..
I was simply making a point from another point of view..take it easy...

Drak wrote: where did you get that? No one is really a master,because it is arrogance to say one has learned all their is about a subject,this is right,But that's not the issue,One never stops learning,But you can't re learn what you already know. Can you teach yourself to walk when you already do? Can you re learn how to ride a bike? unless one has a brain injury,
Nobody can re-learn anything,Just new stuff buddy.

Many masters over the years have gone through the IP for a second, and even third time. They are not re-learning it, they are re-reading it with a new perspective. They also do this because it makes them better teachers. Because I am on the IP team, I have read some parts of the IP over 100 times. Every single novice has a different perspective with which they view the IP and each perspective has value. If you are already trained as you claim to be, then I would love to read your perspective about the IP as you complete each lesson. It would have value, it would add to the community. No one is metaphorically re-learning how to walk or ride a bicycle, they are training their minds to think in different perspectives.

If you have already learned everything the IP has to offer, it should be a breeze to go through it again. Even if you don't value the content, maybe a reader would greatly appreciate what you have to say - and you can teach by learning.

IMO I think the sheer fact that you haven’t done our training is exactly the reason for your assessment. Just from reading your post I get the impression that you lack patience, and don’t see the value in the “journey“. We have knights and masters here who redo the IP every few years just to see if, or how much they have changed. Opinions and views change over time. Beliefs change over time. People change over time.

The other point I will make is a simple one. We get new members here every week. It would shock you how many people came here making very close to the exact same argument you make, then as we dig deeper we learn that they are lying. People claiming to be knights and masters else wear don’t realize how interconnected the Jedi community is. We have a guest show up as claim there a master at FA not realizing we have leaders of the different aspects here, and they have never even heard of the person. I’m NOT saying that’s the case with you, or everyone, but it is something we have to keep in mind. It’s not hard to notice that you haven’t said which organization granted you the rank of master. I think that says something as well.

Bottom line I guess is to be a knight or master at TOTJO, you have to complete the TOTJO ip, apprenticeship with a TOTJO knight, and do the training our way. Underhanded comments about our “Cut and paste”doctrine Won’t win you any brownie points here either. It just shows that by TOTJO standards, your not ready to be an apprentice here, let alone a master.

Ps, ending a post with no disrespect intended, does not undo all the disrespect you just dished out.

It amazes me that i have tried to be clear.and state that i was only making a suggestion.
ALL OF YOU seem to have a problem with the idea of maybe a change by suggestion.
With every message i have also stated i meant no disrespect. I have plenty of patience,
if i didn't i would not still be here,reading of of your silly little replies,Speaking to me as if i where just throwing disrespect everywhere. You leave quotes by , Albert Einstein But fail to grasp the simplicity of a suggestion from some one who is new and may not understand the ways of this temple fully..So thanks for your very reductive comment.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
― Euripides, The Bacchae

Laurence J. Peter
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”
― Laurence J. Peter, The Peter Principle
Bertrand Russell
“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”
― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy