This Should Be Christian Not Abrahamic (Yes / No)

Why should I be interested mostly that the title is changed?
All the monotheistic religions origin from the abrahamic one --> Judaism.

So I am completely happy with a topic name that displays right that fact

I think the point that Br.John was trying to make was that even though Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all termed "Abrahamic", the content of that section is 100% Christian-based. If there was ANY Jewish or Muslim content, then the discussion would not have been raised.

Oh, and we believe that Jediism can be practised alongside any other faith. To quote from our Doctrine: "Many Jedi follow a syncretistic religion -- a faith involving elements from two or more religions. Jediism itself is a syncretistic religion. One can be strictly a Jedi, a Wiccan Jedi, a Christian Jedi, a Buddhist Jedi, or an Agnostic Jedi, for example, but Jediism is a religion and a way of life in and of itself."

So you don't have to give up another religion to become a Jedi too.

Qui-Ran Demera, do you currently practice the Jewish faith? Did you give it up for either Jediism or Jedi Realism or do you hold both? Or would you explain it some other way?

Maybe it would be wise to keep Abrahamic and bring forth a section for each, (i.e.: Christian studies, Judaic Studies...) and such...

Neaj Pa Bol wrote: Maybe it would be wise to keep Abrahamic and bring forth a section for each, (i.e.: Christian studies, Judaic Studies...) and such...

Like subforums? That could work, and that way there would be sections for each religion (though they may be awfully quiet, I've seen how slow subforums can get in favor of the main).

That way we won't go to the ridiculous ends of having a Christian Rite, a Jewish Rite, a Muslim Rite, etc. etc. etc., and breaking up the nice neat little organization system we've developed.

Br. John wrote: Qui-Ran Demera, do you currently practice the Jewish faith? Did you give it up for either Jediism or Jedi Realism or do you hold both? Or would you explain it some other way?

Since Judaism is not only a religion but also a culture I can say I live both, the Jedi way an the jewish way (btw.: the difference between Jew and Jedi is only 2 letters :lol: ^^)

What I am trying to say is, I am living my culture but I do not believe in a personified god but in a universal force which we are part of. There is no punishment or credit for what we do here, there is "only" consequence. What we do we get back... veeeery short version of my Jedi faith, I know, hihi, but it is actually the essence of it

Neaj Pa Bol wrote: Maybe it would be wise to keep Abrahamic and bring forth a section for each, (i.e.: Christian studies, Judaic Studies...) and such...

Yes that is just like in real life but on the other hand I ask myself: Did it reeeally bother anyone the way it is now? Tseen is right about one thing: Actually I should have been bothered by a section called abrahamic without any jewish or islamic content... since I am not, why do the christian ones bother?

@ Xiam

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@ Mark

I see, but just to bring up another interesting topic (I love it here, so many nice people to have good discussions with ) doesn't it contradict in itself, when the Jedi belief talks about an universal force and for example Judaism talks about an omnipotent and omniscient god?

I do know that that is just the force with a different cloak, but what do people think about this who really stick to their beliefs? That is an exciting question I'd say

Good night for now,

Bows,

Qui-Ran

I remembered that "Judaism is not only a religion but also a culture" after I'd left the computer. Thank you for pointing that out for anyone who does not know.

I agree with GM Neaj Pa Bol's suggestion of creating subforums - we can instantly transfer the contents of the Abrahamic section into a Christianity subforum and if there are no contributions to any of the other Abrahamic faiths, then those subforums do not get created. We are then labelling the Christian lessons appropriately while still being opento the expansion of the wider Abrahamic topics.

Qui-Ran, perhaps you have insights into Judaism that could be shared as discussion points in a relevant subforum? It would certainly increase the scope and understanding in the Abrahamic section.

I personally like the idea of subforums. Makes both sides happy - we don't cause misinformation as well as we keep it open for different groups. And then the content might be transfered to the proper subforums, leaving here only general topics.

With so many different religious sects out there to narrow the view and branch down into a sub-forum for each new sect that joins we can run the risk of having many many sub-forums. The way it is, and I understand Br Johns concern, it makes it simple and combined. I personally like the way it is currently but I can adapt to the needs of the church. Also just as a point of interest ... if the Abrahamic forum is 100% Christian is it not still also 100% Abrahamic?

Damion_Storm wrote: Also just as a point of interest ... if the Abrahamic forum is 100% Christian is it not still also 100% Abrahamic?

Hilarious!
And right to the point
I like the idea of sub forums but I also can live with the way it is now. If sub forums will come I will add stuff to the Jewish one. Also could add stuff here, though.

Damion_Storm wrote: if the Abrahamic forum is 100% Christian is it not still also 100% Abrahamic?

Reminds me of an old saying here in the UK: "all postboxes are red but not everything that's red is a postbox"

As one of the fathers or biblical patriarchs, who promoted the whole belief in monotheism, Abraham (ic) sets a more inclusive concept than the more progressive Christianity which like a branch of a great tree presents one development of the same fundamental. Christianity as judaism and Islam are all 100% abrahamic in origin. Without Abraham there would be no Christianity, Judaism or Islam (at least as they stand now). Contrary to Paganism, Jediism or Humanism, the Abrahamic or Buddhist special study group reflect in their respective names the roots or foundation from which the study group origionates.

I like the idea that was brought up about subforums. As stated by others, that would work for all involved. It would bring correct labeling to the forum without leaving anyone out.

If Qui-Ran would agree to be someone in the Judaic Studies, that would be a great situation for all...

Since I have been here since the beginning, I can study, teach, etc. without getting confused... The beginning was a trial... But as we did think back then what would be simplified, we also knew that as items came along we would have to grow with it...

I don't think at this point sub-forums would be a hassel if the Council decides to go that way or how ever we go.

I look forward to seeing more discussion on this..

I think it's okay to call it Abrahamic because if you really study the bible (I being of Christian beliefs and studies) from what I understand from the lines of each religion each one spawned from the line (Genelogy) of Abraham. That is just my option and I don't find it offensive to say that the studies are from either of the other two I don't rally think anyone should be. Forgive me if anyone is by my views I don't want to offend anyone here or start an argument. Point being I think it's fine the way it is.

I hope no one minds me bringing this back to light again, but I was just wondering if there was an agreement on the subject?

From what I can tell quite a few people don't mind the fact that this is called Abrahamic, because the name refers back to the origin of Christianity (although there aren't any non-Christian topics)

Other people wouldn't mind having a set of sub-forums (or similar areas) to discuss the other main areas of Abrahamism under the name Abrahamic rite i.e. Judaism and Islam

That seems to be the general consensus that was arrived at (although someone please make sure I haven't missed anything )

It comes to my understanding that this is primarily a site that focuses on the whole and not simply the part.

I think that "Abrahamic" Is very much accurate of the Christian faith as it such and springs forth from; however aside from my personal opinion does it matter? Who cares if it's labeled Christian, Abrahamic, Buddha, Pentecostal, or Catholicism? You know what you are and your ideals do not change no matter what you label yourself as. The reason why war exists is because of separatism. We are all human beings no matter the belief or non-belief. We are not individuals but merely fragments of the whole... and in that I conclude that change is not necessary in my opinion.

This is a rather old thread...

Anyways may the force be with you.

Greetings Everyone,

I was reading through this thread, and I truly think that it would be the best and most respectful way to handle this situation through different forums/groups -- one for the Christian Studies Group, one for the Jewish Studies Group, and one for the Muslim Studies Group. Based on the the faith that a Jedi follows, if any of these three apply to them it would be specific in content, applicable for the Jedi in question, and would open doors for those who were looking for this particular forum to be a part of. Of course, the activity is based on interest; but having the choice and being valued and respected for each person's interest and faith choice is a positive way of doing things. This is my opinion/suggestion.

I don't care what people call it or describe it as.

I did even notice it when I was looking into the site. I read the content.

I do not put much stock into labels. Many things are labeled something they really aren't. If what religion we are must have a name (for tax purposes or something or what ever) then of course name it. I know it's already named and that possibly changing the name is the question at hand.

I read many good points throughout this thread, and a few funny comments, and I would have to agree with many of them. I would leave it the way it is and add subcategories for clarification. Even though I know it would be a hassle to add all the subcategories one would need to cover all the different groups that might come here. And perhaps more actively search to find people, or text, that could add “teachings” in the subcategories. A council could be formed for that particular task.

And I like what Kawda Dopor said, “It comes to my understanding that this is primarily a site that focuses on the whole and not simply the part.”

Or we could come up with an entirely different label. One that would include no previously established religion but, as accurately as possible, describe the overall belief system of the TOTJO. What that would be, I would have NO idea! I'm not really that articulate or well versed. But, I bet with some thought it could be found. Just throwing out ideas!

No matter what, I'm here for the long haul.