This Should Be Christian Not Abrahamic (Yes / No)

Br. John wrote: I frequently eat and get take out from a local Black Eye Pea restaurant. The food is very good and so it the service. Several months ago my mother and I went there and the special was Chicken and Dumplings. We ordered it. What a letdown. It was Chicken Soup with dumplings thrown in. Even Campbell's Soup gets this right. They have a Chicken Soup with Dumplings and then they have Chicken and Dumplings which (I hope) you all know is a rich creamy sauce with plenty of chicken and dumplings made from biscuit batter.

Except this is more of a "build your own pizza" thing. You're offering pepperoni, sausage, ham, peppers, pineapple, and mushrooms. You're mostly just getting people who want pepperoni and extra cheese, and wondering if you should just change it to "Pepperoni pizza," even though some people will still want the other options. And rather than simply toss out the other recipes, you'll allow them to request the toppings, though they won't be on the menu (or in small font at the bottom they could very well miss), which may lead them to assume they're not available.


Apologies if I am out of place with this thinking, but like Randi Oxford said, it's a bit like changing the Pagan Rite to "Wiccan Rite." It doesn't feel so much like accurate labeling, as it does an exclusion of everyone else. Again, a minority is still a percentage. Even if there are only two or three, they're still worth having a place to discuss things that isn't "The Forum For Those Two Guys."

If I'm being picky (and as Special Advisor for the Pagan Group, I think I can be), the content of the Pagan section is not exclusively Wiccan. In fact, maybe only half of it would be labelled as such. There are lessons from many different paths, all loosely termed as pagan. I myself am Pagan but I'm not Wiccan.

The content of the Abrahamic section is 100% Christian (whatever the denomination) so as Br.John said, why don't we label it as such. I have yet to come across a Jewish or Muslim member at this site, let alone one that has contributed to the forum by posting insights from those perspectives.

If we get any people identifying as Jewish, or Muslim, or Zoroastrian, or whatever and they would like to start a forum to share knowledge and discussions about that faith, then they are free to do so. So if there are any active Jewish or Muslim Jedi here, speak up and tell us if you would like us to not change the name. Otherwise, I say we change the name because the label would then be more accurate.

We could also merge everything and call it the "Infidels" section.

As always, we get a little silliness going, but we need to come up with yes, no, pro's and con's. For me it is simple, it would be yes but with understanding if it is not. Even if we keep the term Abrahamic Rite and then sub-catagories such as Christian studies,Judaic Studies, etc. Lets get some ideas going so that the council can decided.

Br.John wrote: History and the numbers don't support the current name. In the entire history of TOTJO I'm only aware of one member who nominally practiced the Muslim faith and only one or two who claimed the Jewish faith.

Tadaa here is another jewish one. --> Me and I hereby speak up.

I actually was very surprised (positively!) that this section was called abrahamic. What a wise desicion I thought, because all monothesitic religions are covered with that.

Why?

Since Christianity and Islam both arise from Judaism, calling this one the Abrahamic section is veeeery appropriate. I am sure you are aware that every Requiem in every curch is referring to Abraham in one of its parts ("Quam olim Abrahae...")

I do not even get the point of this discussion.

Is this a matter of quantity? The fact that 99,9 % here are former Christians (must be former, since Jediism is a different religion?) does not mean that the Christian roots are not jewish and therefore not Abrahamic. Newsflash, they are ^^

So I do not know why the name of this subject should be changed... there are other things that should be

Conclusion:

Do not start to seperate things that were wisely brought together!

Greetings and bow,
Qui-Ran

On the other hand... It doesn't seem to bother Qui-Ran, who should be interested mostly, so I don't think it's a problem, but when you think of it... Well, imagine that someone of Muslim faith comes here and sees Abrahamic group. He or she thinks "Hey, that's awesome" and then opens the forum. There isn't really anything about his beliefs, everything is Christian. That's quite disappointing actually.

This leaves us with question: better to leave it the way it is, with open doors but giving wrong information, or close the door and give completely true info?

I'd personally chose first option. As a new person, imagining myself in such situation, I'd prefer to start some new discussions in "inactive" subject on already made forum than cause problems by asking for my own sub-category.

Why should I be interested mostly that the title is changed?
All the monotheistic religions origin from the abrahamic one --> Judaism.

So I am completely happy with a topic name that displays right that fact

I think the point that Br.John was trying to make was that even though Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all termed "Abrahamic", the content of that section is 100% Christian-based. If there was ANY Jewish or Muslim content, then the discussion would not have been raised.

Oh, and we believe that Jediism can be practised alongside any other faith. To quote from our Doctrine: "Many Jedi follow a syncretistic religion -- a faith involving elements from two or more religions. Jediism itself is a syncretistic religion. One can be strictly a Jedi, a Wiccan Jedi, a Christian Jedi, a Buddhist Jedi, or an Agnostic Jedi, for example, but Jediism is a religion and a way of life in and of itself."

So you don't have to give up another religion to become a Jedi too.

Qui-Ran Demera, do you currently practice the Jewish faith? Did you give it up for either Jediism or Jedi Realism or do you hold both? Or would you explain it some other way?

Maybe it would be wise to keep Abrahamic and bring forth a section for each, (i.e.: Christian studies, Judaic Studies...) and such...