The Force in Christianity

From MY personal prospective. I thought to put this under the Force Realists TV thread, but since it is very specific to a theology, I figured I'd put it into the relevant discussion board


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi6ljdZVoGU

So in other words you believe in the "Gifts of the spirit." ?

No, because that would imply these come directly from the Spirit in a personal way, rather than being part of the universe G-d designed. To many of us, the idea that "the Force" is the Spirit is outright blasphemy.

I was asking Ally

I believe in spiritual gifts such as miracles, prophecy and the like. I believe that the Holy Spirit can open you up to more gifts, but that we are always granted at least one gift to begin with. I don't believe that they are gifts OF the spirit, but FROM the spirit.

Kind of like...

If I give you a gift for your birthday. I'm giving you a gift, but the gift isn't me. I'm giving it you to you based on something that exists outside of me. Even if I made it, it's not me, it's only from me with a lot more effort than if I just went to a store and bought something.

But yes, I do believe that spiritual gifts spoken of in the Bible do exist. I just disagree on the nature of it being us using the Holy Spirit to perform the feats. Certainly, if we ask God and we are sincere in our walk with God, then the prayer is enhanced and delivered by God's hand. This is also why God, in the Christian faith, should always be given the credit for the results of the spiritual gifts. It is an acknowledgement that not only is God giving His full attention to a situation, but it also let's go of our personal ego, acknowledging that only because of God do we have the gifts in the first place.

As I understood it. Gifts of the Spirit are not something you use so much as you allow god to use you to perform said gift. Taking your Moses example, Moses received "Gifts of the spirit" (Spirit = God) by acting as a vessel for Gods power. In other words, Moses didn't use the gifts as tools rather God used Moses to direct the power and this experience of being a vessel to Gods will is the "Gift"

What I am asking is....Do you believe that "The Force" = "Gift of the Spirit" or are they two entirely different things?