LaVeyan Jedi

I've recently hit a dark patch in my life when it came to my faith. I broke away from the church almost three years ago and was an atheist for a majority of the time that had passed. I recently started looking at Satanic-based websites out of pure curiosity, and I realized that the LaVeyan Satanic principle seemed to fit my mindset. I've spent the past in intense study of the LaVeyan princples and theories and have realized that this is the "faith" that i wanted to be a part of! However, i still hold to my Grey Jedi morals and values, but I also hold them to a LaVeyan Principle for balance and have now declared myself a LaVeyan Jedi.

First off, LaVeyan Satanism is in no way "Devil Worship" Rather, it is the realization and celebration of the carnal side of man's nature that nearly every other organized faith teaches to repress. The understanding that what is known as the "deadly sins" are just basic human reflexive emotions and that repression of these so-called sins will only lead to one's own self destruction. The ability to go about one's life in the way that brings them the most satisfaction and happiness instead of living by the limitations set by the moral guidelines of all other major world religions. The understanding that death is the final end, that their is no life beyond this, and to revel and splurge in one's true fancies as they so desire while they are still able.

That the teaching of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc. are founded upon the basis of hypocrisy and use the basic element of fear to subtly control the minds of its congregation to not only keep them in line as their "god" so intends, but to be able to pay off the mortgages of the tabernacles by the coercion of "a life beyond this one". A LaVeyan Satanist is nothing if not outraged by this display of abuse of power that the Church has over the masses and wants nothing to do with it. if one is closed-mindedly ignorant enough to not hear the ultimate truth, then we move on to those who are willing to listen and think it over for those who choose to not listen to the truth never will and we shouldn't waste our time dealing with stubborn ingrates such as them.

It is also an advocate of the disdain of harm towards women, children and animals and is appalled by anyone who would inflict pain upon them. A LaVeyan Satanist holds himself on high as his own god because Every religion is a product of man'[s own need to pacify his own overly-developed ego and therefore every praise of a religion's god is truly going towards the human individual whose mind was able to construct the belief system and not towards the actual god itself. We see the world as how it is rather than as it should be and take no care into trying to change that which is constant. We are a group of "Atheistic Extremists" who instead of devoting our lives to a being that may or may not even exist, we spend our numbered days as we see fit in order to make the most out of all the time we have left.

There is a common saying within the LaVeyan community that says: "What is worse than not knowing: To live or to disappear?" meaning it is better to understand that time is limited and to make the best of the time you have instead of living your life in anticipation of something that may not even come to pass. We choose to form our beliefs and opinions by use of logic and reasoning instead blindly obeying what we are taught. Satan is not a living entity, but is more of a symbolic representation of man's true nature and of the coming new age. He is also a benevolent, (or malevolent if applicable) force, if you will, that gives the LaVeyan the ability to see beyond the shroud of doubt and into the ultimate nirvana of enlightened truth. As such, I also hold true my values as a Jedi and have incorporated my belief systems together to form the LaVeyan Jedi Principle, as many of the teachings of both seem to coincide together.

I call upon my LaVeyan brothers and sisters in this forum to join me and to rejoice in the life we have now because we soon will have it not. If anyone else is familiar with the LaVeyan teachings and understandings, I'd love to have a conversation with you about it. I've still yet to start my Training on here and am close to the end of the school year which means that I'll be a little more participative on the site while i'm not working over the summer. I should be able to have all my training complete by this upcoming September, save for time allowance. If you've taken the time to read this whole thing, I appreciate your enthusiasm and hope to meet and speak to like-minded individuals on the site. Thanks you!

Lividius

I type as I read.. and as I read I see many conflicting ideas between what you are describing and Jediism. The first, "There is no Death. There is the Force."
I'm not preaching, by the way, only seeking to understand as is the case when I post anything anywhere.

There are "rules" everywhere you go and in anything you do. There are rules of this website, for example, oaths, vows, etc. If you break them, there are consequences. Nature works the same way - some call it Karma, others something else, but if those natural laws are broken, nature gives a consequence. That's just how it works and when it comes to those natural laws, there isn't much even a God can do to stop it (I might say.. WOULD do..? I'm not sure on that.)

I understand the thought behind living out of fear, but I honestly think that most people don't do it out of fear. Most people do it out of pure love. I know that I repress my "natural man" to gain control of "myself" because, in my belief, I am an eternal soul, not a temporary body. It gives me joy to over-come those things and to mold myself into a better version of who I currently am. I feel as though I'm accomplishing something bigger.

Again, I'm not preaching. I'm not saying my way is the right way. I understand what you're talking about with all of this and can see why it would be an alluring path for some. I'm simply stating why it isn't for me - nothing more

Regardless of all of this, it feels good to finally find something that resonates with you and I congratulate you on doing so. I'm glad you came back here, too. I hope you stick around for a while!

May the Force be with you, Lividius.

It is not easy to understand for those with a set path of faith in their life because it contradicts almost ever major religion's code. I do however appreciate the insight, and to be honest, this is only how it works in a nutshell; If I tried to explain it in as full of detail as I physically could, I'd be typing for days on end and still wouldn't even then get to the core of its teachings.

It is not for most, and I do understand and respect your views. We do not criticize those who do not follow our customs, as we only try to educate those who are willing to take it upon them selves to listen to and figure it out for themselves. Those who choose to not even hear us out aren't worth our time and we take no initiative to try to teach them, as their skeptic mindset will not allow them to process this new information for themselves and they will automatically deny it as a falsehood.

I know it may seem contradictory to Jediism, but when having both viewpoints in mind, there are more similarities than differences within both doctrines, and they can really only be seen by those who can completely take both viewpoints together into account because, as I said, LaVeyan Satanism is not for everyone as only a few choose to listen.

We are willing to listen to and take in what other people have to say about their beliefs as long as they take no trial into trying to avert us from our own, because at that point we will begin to ignore and to walk away. Again, I appreciate the insight and thank you for reading/commenting ^^


Lividius

i was reading the satanic bible before as i would like to develop knowledge of most religions and i agree with the teaching of the seven sins being primal human instincts and that most religions against this but i found the satanic bible to be to much on the primal side if you get me. the teachings that those born who are weaker are not as worthy as those born who are stronger i don't agree with and many things like that but i hope you manage to find a really good way of combining both jedi beliefs and satanic and i look forward to hearing how this goes

MTFBWY

The only other satanist I know is a Sith Realist. Great guy, one day I hope to meet him in person. I'm not aure you can combine Satanism with Jediism, but it would be interesting to see what you come up with.

Not only can it be, but the (laveyan, dont know if there's another) satanic bible has been a recommended read on many jedi sites before, and is currently on the totjo library.

Sounds quite interesting. I must say I agree on a lot of the points.

I agree on the 'sins' being human reflexes/nature, that death is the end (no soul or afterlife) and would take no effort in trying to confince someone who doesn't want to listen.

I wouldn't go as far as to call them stubborn ingrates tho. Nor am I outraged by the so called power display of the church.

As you said, time is limited so dont waste it on outrage, hatred or ranting on people you find stubborn ingrates.

I believe in using my precious, limited time here to love, laugh and enjoy live to the fullest with everyone who's near to me.

Much like Alethea, I too have friends who follow the Satanic philosophies of the Black Pope, and believe in the Force, there called Sith. I used to be one of them, although still a Sith, I have sense moved to Luciferianism as this provides me a much better sense of balance.

LaVeyan Jedi? Why not just call yourself Sith, or Atheist?

As a former Sith, my experience with the left hand paths was that they just didn't work very well. People who believe in ego worship and strife as a spiritual path spend too much time attacking each other and annoying people and don't seem capable of creating any kind of transcendent movement or atmosphere. The whole point of religion, it seems to me, is to become part of something that transcends yourself, not to worship yourself. In the Yogic model of consciousness, LaVeyans are stuck in the lower chakras and deny that higher chakras even exist. Why do you even need a spiritual path if you're a LaVeyan? Does a dog need a spiritual path? Why not eat and rut and fight, and forget all this religion nonsense?

Xon, Jedi to me, is about improvement of the self for the service of others. And yes, while LaVeyan Satanism does have a firm grounding in "might is right" as well as "survival of the fittest", mayhaps Lividius doesn't follow LaVeyan Satanism to the letter. He's a Grey, trying to bring together the Light and Dark in order to define his Way.

I'm a Dark Aspect Apprentice and a Sith Initiate, and I'm not religious. Force Realism to me is a philosophical program, and LaVeyan Satanism is too. It only has religious elements to sate the human desire for psychodrama.

As a former Sith, you seem to condescend to the entire idea of the left hand path. Alternatively, Lividius has just turned 18. Maybe he was merely enthralled by LaVey's words. I would've been too, had I read them at his age.

I think age has a lot to do with it...

Not physical age, but mental age....

Age, and where they are on the path of their life... not Sith, Levayan, nor Jedi...

But their life's path....

Which, doesn't really change, from one direction to another, bit continues toward and changes in color, as it changes in intent....

Just my ramblings...

I support your decision to explore LeVays stuff. Go for it.

At that age we are easily enthralled by words that especially inspire rebellion. I mean I remember when I claimed I was wiccan not knowing what it was about.

It is all worth exploring because it gives a different perspective. But there is always posers and those who truly walk the path. Satanism certainly isn't like it should be, but there are certain aspects of it that I like. Satan in its original language meant Adversary and that means a lot to me more than some great big demon. I am still studying the left hand path.

I feel in a way you cannot know true 'light' without 'darkness.' But it has been a very interesting study and I have learned so much @___@

Lividius wrote: There is a common saying within the LaVeyan community that says: "What is worse than not knowing: To live or to disappear?" meaning it is better to understand that time is limited and to make the best of the time you have instead of living your life in anticipation of something that may not even come to pass.

I really like this. Carpe diem.

I rarely refer to LaVeyan Satanism as just "Satanism". Specifically invoking LaVey's name gives the right people the right message. I do like some of the facets of the philosophy, but then, I'm Dark Aspect. How does it relate to the Jedi Path, if it does?

I am honestly not sure, general philosophies of dark aspect do not align with so-called light aspect. While it can depend upon how one defines Jedi and the sub-sects of grey and light and what separates someone from the dark and the light, the lines can be blurred as it is not simple black and white. Certainly there is distinct differences between the Dark Aspect others, but for the meaning of studying Satanism I guess knowledge is always important and especially when understanding the so-called other side.

Whose side are you on again?

But I definitely agree. Knowing the other side gives you better clarity of your own side, in my opinion. It's not a common view but I've always been able to discover aspects of myself by dislikes, and what I am not.

LaVeyan Satanism is supposedly the inspiration for a lot of the Sith ideals, especially when Bioware became involved. Bioware made so much of what we now consider "Sith" it's easy to forget that originally they were a lot more sorcerous entities.

I've been accused by my master of sounding like a Jedi sometimes, which tickles me somewhat.

I'm currently browsing the Great Jedi Holocron and doing the Institute for Jedi Realist Studies introductory course when I feel like it.

I am not a LaVeyan Satanist, and I feel that in the time since his death, his message of the religious aspects of Satanism have been corrupted by many of the members. I don't think he would be proud of most Satanists of his branch today. However, the fundamentals are a not a bad idea, though my own beliefs favor a far darker bent.

However, as some of these responses show, prejudice and ignorance breed contempt, and Lightsiders and Left Hand Path washouts will never truly support you. Silence and secretiveness will serve you far better, keeping the divulged details to a bare minimum.

I've studied the laveyan satanic bible myself...much of it makes what I see as common sense...they recognise base human behavior and they endorse meeting carnal pleasure...for those of darker more primal views it's very alluring...and it exhibits the "live in the now" mentality...as for me I prefer to find the balance...refined enjoyment of the now...leave some fun for tomorrow...after all if you rush to enjoy everything today and tomorrow actually does come for you what will you do for fun then?...I like variety....the same thing doesn't stay fun for long

I was a Satanist for the past 15 years. The philosophy and spiritual side of the LHP were an inspiration for me and gave me great pleasure in my life, until I realized in the long term it was counterproductive. I can only speak for myself but embracing darkness on a daily basis and using it has an adverse effect on the mind over time. I found my way here because this is the exact opposite of what I practiced, I didn't have a problem with the systems I had a problem with how I practiced them. I seen the world as dark and cruel and I believed that in order to protect myself I had to be even more dark, even more intelligent than it was.

I may be new to the light, and I have much to learn, many lessons, however darkness is something I am quite familiar with. In this person's opinion there is no such thing as a Laveyan Jedi, there is no balance between them. You can't be both. I'm speaking from both a spiritual and a philosophical sense. Satanism is the embodiment of ego, of self will of passion, of manipulation to gain advantage by any means without dire consequence. There is no way to combine this with "there is no emotion there is peace". In my mind to combine both is not only disingenuous but also greed, which is darkness. There is nothing remotely Satanic about Jedi either, so a Satanist emulating Jedi makes for a pretty pathetic Satanist (speaking as a former practicener of the LHP). A Jedi aspiring to Satanic philosophy is lost to the light.

Greetings everybody, I'm new and I didn't plan on posting yet just lurking and reading but this topic drew me like a moth to a flame.