Development of the Force

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02 Mar 2014 19:12 - 02 Mar 2014 19:15 #140036 by
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To start, my definition of a force power is any utilization of natural astronomical phenomena for the defense of ones self. Self defense being non-lethal. Essentially all of these processes are natural and occur in the solar system. The only device which isn't is the EEG machine, but it serves as the brain to machine converter.

EEG Device:
A non invasive way to transfer brain activity into external stimuli. http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/ is a website that helps people save money on building one. It is also opensource! You can use this device as biofeedback to improve your focus and neural balance. You could make this into your jedi robe's hood so you wouldn't need to always have it on. No one would ever know you had it.

You can also play a force game which levitates a ball according to your brain patterns. http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Science-Force-Trainer/dp/B001UZHASY

http://cdn.pearltrees.com/s/pic/th/bio-sensing-18351709

Force Push:
A Handheld Vortex ring could push people away from you so you can escape. It is a gust of air that is able to provide a pushing force. These rings occur in nature.

A large Vortex cannon that could break bones. Way too strong for a human to carry. Notice the distance this one covers!

This is how they behave in microgravity. They occur naturally in space. Dolphins also make them in water for unknown reasons.

Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) (Jedi Mind Tricks) can cause changes in neuron behavior. It works by changing electromagnetic fields rapidly. With skill, one could increase the amount of lying or truth telling. Recent research has shown other uses. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21807030

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03 Mar 2014 18:40 - 03 Mar 2014 19:04 #140246 by
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The Star Wars "Science-Force-Trainer" sounds awesome. I'd love one of those although it seems a bit expensive.
However, I'm not from the US and I couldn't find it at the European Amazon site. Well, maybe one will pop up at Ebay sometime. Thanks for sharing the info anyway :)

EDIT: I found somewhere where I might be able to get the Force-Trainer. Do you have it or did you actually try it out? Would you say it's worth the money? I find it fascinating but I'm not sure it's not mainly just a gimmick.
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04 Mar 2014 15:35 #140374 by
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From what ive seen it works good, I haven't played it yet tho.

All of this programming is easy because the software is opensourced.

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08 Mar 2014 22:28 #140770 by
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One problem I see with my ideas is that they seem un natural, and the force is supposed to be a natural type effect. Anybody have any other ideas?

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09 Mar 2014 09:17 #140829 by Whyte Horse
Well, there's a review of the force trainer on youtube. It's a gimmick which uses EEG technology to control a fan under a ball in a tube. The fan blows the ball up and down the tube at a speed dependent upon your skin conductivity(or whatever sensor you attach to your head).

I did some research on brainwave training back in my university days shortly after we got some superconducting quantum interference devices(SQUIDs). The proposal was to make an audio interpretation of the magnetic field of the brain. It never picked up traction but the theory goes like this:

Groups of neurons can fire simultaneously and this signature can be detected(usually as brainwaves). Those waves can be traced back to thoughts. So you can communicate direclty using your brain with a suitable interpreter. An easy to control interpreter would be a musical device like a digital synthesizer which creates an audible tone that represents a given frequency of a given brainwave. So you could easily train your brainwaves with an openEEG setup and then patch it into a speaker or something. I believe someone else picked this research up and controlled another person's hand in real-time using a SQUID array helmet and fiber optics.

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09 Mar 2014 09:24 #140830 by Whyte Horse

Drexid wrote: To start, my definition of a force power is any utilization of natural astronomical phenomena for the defense of ones self. Self defense being non-lethal.

I haven't found a better definition than this:
It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

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09 Mar 2014 19:02 #140876 by
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http://www.amazon.com/Applied-Magnets%C2%AE-1-Piece-Neodymium-Magnet/dp/B00ISB8V5O/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1394391066&sr=1-1
This magnet has the power of 1,700 lbs of pull force. This means you could die from handling it. And its handheld.

One problem I see with a SQUID is that it will only display either emotions or states of activity. Science isnt ready for individual thoughts. I think this brain training should be used in conjunction with meditation.

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10 Mar 2014 18:35 #140970 by Gisteron
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I don't understand... how does this have anything to do with the Force again? I guess one can redefine Force to mean just about anything and then this would totally qualify yet... isn't that somewhat pointless? Let alone unjustified...
I try and call technology technology. That makes it sound more understandable and useful than calling it magic instead. Sure, to someone's eyes it might be, but does it really serve a purpose to try and look through that someone's eyes as opposed to the eyes of the technologically noteworthy people that we are?

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10 Mar 2014 20:12 #140973 by Whyte Horse

Gisteron wrote: I don't understand... how does this have anything to do with the Force again? I guess one can redefine Force to mean just about anything and then this would totally qualify yet... isn't that somewhat pointless? Let alone unjustified...
I try and call technology technology. That makes it sound more understandable and useful than calling it magic instead. Sure, to someone's eyes it might be, but does it really serve a purpose to try and look through that someone's eyes as opposed to the eyes of the technologically noteworthy people that we are?

Well "development of the force" has to do with the force through developing the force. Whether you use brain-wave training, meditation, nature walks, martial arts, etc it's all sort of the same thing. Many of these things can be aided by technology and refined. Imagine using video cameras to improve your martial arts, for example. Or OpenEEG to improve your meditation. Or SQUIDS to refine your mental discipline and self-controlling your thoughts. Instead of relying on "word of mouth", you could have exact answers and direct results.

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10 Mar 2014 20:49 #140978 by
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Could I offer a suggestion? Exercises that they teach in Qigong, Psionics, Neigong, Tai Qi, sports even... They pale in comparison to total awareness of the moment.

If I were to give you a full-proof method of feeling the power of the force, I would give this:

1. Understand the caloric energy you put in your body. (It is the MAIN way that energy enters the body, yes?)
2. Push yourself to the limit physically, mentally, and spiritually.
3. Find yourself at a level of focus where you are only thinking of the task at hand. For athletes, it's doing the sport at your highest level. For musicians like myself, it is completely giving my soul to the piano or my voice.

This is Satori, as we say in the Buddhist tradition.

When you find this place, you are working with the Force in its rawest sense. You are cutting through the Force with your soul sword, to use my jargon...

Sitting and practicing psi balls haphazardly has never worked for me.

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10 Mar 2014 22:47 #140985 by void
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Connor Lidell wrote: 1. Understand the caloric energy you put in your body. (It is the MAIN way that energy enters the body, yes?)

That's debatable.

3. Find yourself at a level of focus where you are only thinking of the task at hand. For athletes, it's doing the sport at your highest level. For musicians like myself, it is completely giving my soul to the piano or my voice.

If only there were a word for that...

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10 Mar 2014 22:50 #140986 by
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Although I'm not interested in debate, I am interested in finding myself closer to truth. How else does energy enter the body?

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11 Mar 2014 00:15 #140990 by Brenna
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steamboat28 wrote:
"3. Find yourself at a level of focus where you are only thinking of the task at hand. For athletes, it's doing the sport at your highest level. For musicians like myself, it is completely giving my soul to the piano or my voice."

If only there were a word for that...


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11 Mar 2014 00:25 #140991 by
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The buddhists call it Satori.

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11 Mar 2014 00:39 #140994 by void
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Judges?

*buzz*

We're sorry, the answer we were looking for was "meditation," or "what is that thing everybody here at the Temple talks about, but precious few people display an understanding of?"
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11 Mar 2014 00:44 #140996 by Brenna
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Oh thats right. Sorry. I forgot youre the only one who knows anything, and only the words you prefer are the ones we're allowed to use :P



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11 Mar 2014 00:45 #140997 by
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It is meditation as well. I see no difference.

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11 Mar 2014 00:54 #141000 by void
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Brenna wrote: Oh thats right. Sorry. I forgot youre the only one who knows anything, and only the words you prefer are the ones we're allowed to use :P

Connor Lidell wrote: It is meditation as well. I see no difference.


My point wasn't that the word was wrong. My point was that there's a lot of discussion on the topic here and most of the people engaged in it (myself included) make the whole process far too complicated. On a website that discusses meditation as much as we do, you'd expect at least a better general understanding and not scads and tons of folks who "can't" meditate.

I'm just saying that if we're going to talk about it as much as we do, maybe we should look at the way we're presenting it and help one another grasp onto the concept more firmly.
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11 Mar 2014 00:58 #141002 by
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It's funny you mention that. My sermon coming out on Wednesday will, in fact, cover meditation. And, it is born of the same concerns you just mentioned. :)

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11 Mar 2014 01:42 #141005 by
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I'm not liking the borderline-bickering among apprentices...can't we all just use our own words? :dry: There are, after all, as many views as there are people. Whatever word one chooses to call it doesn't change what the thing is itself. ;)

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