Is Q a threat to Democracy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGVXmuLmEM

I personally believe Q is actually Russian Intelligence

Yea the social unrest doctrine of the Russian's is a legit thing by the looks of it, but whether they are having success in engineering mass delusion within the US population on both sides of politics is another question. It might just be an inherent weakness in democracy that group think inevitably tears order down when the citizens are given enough of it to hang themselves with. It seems to be one of the factors in places like Russia and China to tighten control over populations freedoms in specific ways to crush uprisings of any flavor very early and integral to that is political 'stability' (from the point of view of those in charge).

My thinking is anything which promotes conflict is counter-productive to democracy because it creates fear, and fear promotes delusion because it's driven by an urgency from the sub-conscious flight or fight architecture to decide sooner rather then later. In contrast rational thought benefits by being able to take the time needed to make the best balanced decision given all factors. Irrationality and delusion can feel more right then what is right often, because the real world is rarely as neat and simple as artificial constructs that fit the picture or narrative.

It's basically a case of order vs disorder, and when people decide disorder serves their need better then order.... well then its become every dog for themselves just because each one has its own needs. The illusion of group only lasts so long when disorder is an effective mechanism of change. It's the same thing in a different fashion to when power corrupts - because those with the power realize they don't have to follow the group rules anymore.

So yea I think it is a threat to democracy. To go all Sun Tzu-ey on the thread.... you don't win a war by confronting the enemy, you win a war by putting them in a position they cannot fight from.

So if movements are promoting misinformation, fear, conflict and radicalism, then it's going backwards for that community...... which is disastrous for the environment among other things!!! There are so many humans on this rock that we cannot afford to stagnate technological development and scientific depth, else this place will buckle under our slow pace of growth.

This is an interesting video that works into this subject. Worth the watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgmg2VFX058

Much love,
Kobos

ZealotX wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGVXmuLmEM

I personally believe Q is actually Russian Intelligence

I’ve watched the “last Vanderbilt “since ChannelOne....
Sone one has been on my screen since I was a weeee rebel.
Anderson Cooper is one of the last “royalty” America has - and frankly - I tend not to believe a lot of what he says - becuae of this fact. He owns ALOT of the news he works for. Most of what he says - isn’t for me - just something to think about.

What some find a great day can crap on others.

Keeping all your eggs In one basket can leave ya wanting ...

Q is just a person or group of people who posted things you might normally see on the anonymous forums they posted on. Only difference is they have a quirky writing style and generally say the things they know will be popular or increase hype with a particular subset of the population. There have been times Q has been right, but it's a lot of stuff that could be guessed or surmised pretty easily and other times Q has been totally wrong. Q could be anyone, and anyone could be a "Q" at some point in time if they get into trolling as a daily habit. The cult of personality around Q is not new, nor is it unique to Q, nor is Q the largest or best example of it in my opinion.
Basically, I think Q is a LARP or a troll and is of no more or less a threat than the national enquirer.

TheDude wrote: Q is just a person or group of people who posted things you might normally see on the anonymous forums they posted on. Only difference is they have a quirky writing style and generally say the things they know will be popular or increase hype with a particular subset of the population. There have been times Q has been right, but it's a lot of stuff that could be guessed or surmised pretty easily and other times Q has been totally wrong. Q could be anyone, and anyone could be a "Q" at some point in time if they get into trolling as a daily habit. The cult of personality around Q is not new, nor is it unique to Q, nor is Q the largest or best example of it in my opinion.
Basically, I think Q is a LARP or a troll and is of no more or less a threat than the national enquirer.

I think that's how Q got started. So I'm with you on that.

However...

The problem with an anonymous poster is that anyone ELSE can assume the same identity. I think it started out as a prank... maybe not even an experiment to see if anyone would believe it but just saying random silliness for effect because that's how some hackers are. But then maybe someone else pretended to believe it and eventually someone wanted to see if people would believe it for real.

Once they did, now, without realizing it, they had created a valuable intelligence weapon. Because if you can get people to believe that some rich people are actually satan loving baby eaters then this allows an intelligence agency to to run the ball the rest of the way in for the touchdown. All they have to do is start dropping names of their political adversaries and people who are against Putin and don't want him having access to all the money he's siphoned off the Russian people and has been hiding in banks and under Oligarchs. If they can turn enough people against those politicians then they can be replaced by people who are more favorable to Putin. If Q people actually get elected... that's worse, but it's still bad if a large number of people believe Q because now that's political pressure on the people representing their districts.

We have seen Republicans, some who I used to have respect for, completely lick the boot of the president because they are scared of his influence. If Q keeps recruiting normal people eventually our political leaders are going to become Russian puppets.

ZealotX wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGVXmuLmEM

I personally believe Q is actually Russian Intelligence

I think most Americans seriously under estimate just how prolific Russian intelligence is within American social media. They are hitting every vulnerability that they can identify. Theyre not just trying to influence one or two elections, they are working to facilitate irrevocable rifts in our country. To use the Culture War to fracture us beyond repair. They are a major player in the “post truth” movement that we are currently facing and they are a very serious threat to our society and to our future as a nation.

Just sayin

OB1Shinobi wrote:

ZealotX wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGVXmuLmEM

I personally believe Q is actually Russian Intelligence

I think most Americans seriously under estimate just how prolific Russian intelligence is within American social media. They are hitting every vulnerability that they can identify. Theyre not just trying to influence one or two elections, they are working to facilitate irrevocable rifts in our country. To use the Culture War to fracture us beyond repair. They are a major player in the “post truth” movement that we are currently facing and they are a very serious threat to our society and to our future as a nation.

Just sayin

Well said.

I honestly believe this may be a threat we (Jedi) may eventually need to deal with because this turning into (already became) a 'virtual' social war. The fact that it's operating in the shadows but in the public domain... makes it different to me than other threats and I know how our government is. Big guns. Expensive toys. This... is different. I'm not saying we don't have talented hackers. But we're not going to use public funding to battle internet trolls, no matter how many there are because we simply can't. Doing so would be too much like state run propaganda.

This, to me, and call me silly, is like trying to identify hidden sith and stop them from taking over our senate. Q is already penetrated several political races. If no one can take down Q in anyway that has a deprogramming effect on the infected/socially hacked population it will simply secretly convert people, using conspiracy theory channels and social media, until enough people are infected.

Once infected, more people will commit terrorist activities. Yes... against their own government. When a person truly believes that a pizza place is hiding a child sex ring and they know where it is... there is a probability of them doing something about it and with enough people considering different possibilities, armed with different weapons, being at different ages, it becomes a human combination to where the right alignment of variables will result in someone becoming a terrorist.

Even non-Arab Americans have been radicalized into Muslim extremism. If that can happen... then how much easier would it be to radicalize Americans who think they're fighting for America, and for Christianity, to destroy people who are satanic or even possessed by demons? Anyone who wants to be a hero can be indoctrinated in Q and used as villains. And if no one can or is willing to convince people that Q is wrong... what's there to stop this from getting much much worse?

It seems like there are already people... AMERICANS.... and I cannot believe I'm saying this... there are people already willing to go through another civil war over this next election. That means there are people willing to forsake democracy over this. And isn't that Putin's ultimate desire? (besides all of his money). The Proud Boys have taken Trump's words to "stand by" and they are recruiting. Call me crazy but I think we need to train ourselves to be online warriors to combat Q and fascist and racist groups before they all band together, use a few politicians as "moderate face" (who wont actually be moderate republicans because they'll be Q in disguise) and working against democracy and for Russia from the inside.

I do agree that Q is not only one problem but many hiding behind one name, And I wouldn't be surprised by the Russian influence as we have increasingly seen this during the last 5 years, Its almost as though they WANT US TO KNOW who it is....

Or somebody else does.

Is it okay if I point out that I asked this question about Q being a threat to democracy months before Q supporters stormed the capital of the United States?

And there is an interview of a black police officer who was there at the capital who shared his experience, especially confronted by someone holding a Blue Lives Matter flag, including the fact that he played into their argument about the election being stolen and "no one voted for Biden" by saying that HE had voted for Biden and asked if his vote counted.

Their response? "Hey everyone, this N-GGER voted for Biden!" And he was called the N-word by many of the capital terrorists.

So if you combine this with the presence of the confederate flag... xenophobic messaging of the right, we get a clearer picture of what is at the core of this attack on democracy. And as I said before, the secret meaning behind "make America great again".

Yes... many people saw something in that simple message that they believed was good. And yes, many couldn't imagine what could be wrong with that message or why black people would take offense.

But as MAGA has matured and materialized into a force willing to oppose our Democracy how many people will realize that this is what it was all along?

Do you think these people just decided to do something so drastic overnight? Or was this simply already brewing in their brains even before Trump appeared and began talking to them?

And I'm asking this because just because Trump lost... that doesn't mean this threat to democracy has gone away. When Jesus didn't return quickly with their reward, they patiently waited and continued to imagine various signs as indications of his "soon" return. Q followers are basically treating Trump the same way; but not because they are following him, but rather because they perceive him to be following THEIR agenda. And their agenda has not been defeated.

Source: The interview I spoke of is on "Soul of a Nation" ep 1.

I don't feel like I'm a threat to humanity... tho I'm not the same Q you hear about today. Copycat or legitimate replacement I suppose. I have a itch that's saying there is probably bigger threats than Q.

This Q following is kind of amazing from a psychological perspective. What has emerged is a political cult. We're not used to that. It's not just political though. It's like a cancer that hooks into certain religious beliefs. Mainly evangelical Christianity.

The idea is simple. We often view the universe through the lens of a war between good and evil. And so we cast these parts, even down to matter vs antimatter. As long as we have this view we tend to create stories to match; stories where we are the hero of our own journey. But you can't be a hero without a villain. So as we believe our side represents the light there must be another side that represents the darkness. For some people this is as simple as comparing light or dark skin.

I've been thinking a lot about the Salem Witch Trials in recent years. I believe it highlights a certain neurological defect in humanity. The key is that people really didn't care whether each of the accused was a witch or what evidence they had that any one of them (if they weren't Christians themselves) even believed in the existence of Satan. The reality is that Satan only exists within Christianity. This being is supposedly far older than this religion and yet Judaism doesn't agree with the story and how he is cast. But Christianity doesn't care. You would think they would since it is such an important plot point. But it is fundamentally taken for granted.

And because Satan only exists within Christianity, only believers in Christianity could possibly worship him and therefore someone being "satanic" requires them to share the same beliefs the Christian does. But Christians, because of this worldview, may easily find themselves casting people of different beliefs/faiths/ideas into their same narrative AS IF these people believe in Satan. Or they'll come up with an excuse that Satan has tricked them into thinking he doesn't exist but whatever their belief is, it's simply a figure or representation of him. This means that Satan, the ego maniac who wanted to be higher than God, doesn't mind if none of his "followers" ever knows his name while God requires everyone to specifically believe in whatever name/id he has chosen and given to his "chosen" religion.

But this is a contradiction to the whole narrative of Satan. In fact, it flips the script entirely, casting God as the supreme ego and Satan as the humble agent granting people power or wishes (or whatever you think spirits do to "Serve" human desires and interests) without taking credit.

The larger point I'm making isn't about God or Satan. It's about us. It's about how we adopt a narrative and cast members on both sides of the conflict. We project ourselves onto one side (always the right side) and we project our enemies onto the "other" (as there is no other place for them to go). As long as there is an other/opposite side we feel morally right; almost like we cannot contemplate morality without moral superiority.

But this implies judgment of a very relative type because no human is perfect. The very idea of such a thing is relative to one's understanding. The moment you say "this person was perfect" you are also saying that person couldn't possibly grow or be any better than they were. Making the best possible choices is nice but realistically it is still relative to the possible choices you have available which is relative to the knowledge you have available. There is no such thing as perfect.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"

Wise words, but are they universal? Is it ever good to be "above the law"? Above judgment? Isn't that simply hypocrisy? In order to make ourselves the hero we instantiate morality. In other words, we create a temporal instance of the construct of morality in which we judge ourselves according to a standard and then judge others by the same measure. But in 2,000 years that standard can change (IE slavery is wrong). Go forward further in time and more changes can be made as we realize our previous idea of being "perfect" or moral rightness still had a way to grow (IE accepting people of different sexual orientations).

It takes a long time to learn that we are the same as the people we're trying to cast onto the other side. And I think now we're in the process of doing the same thing with mental illnesses where as before they were simply thought to be under the possession of demons. Do you see? As long as we cast ourselves as the heroes it gives us the logical flexibility to demonize and assign "darkness" to the other side. But it is this process of judging, assigning, casting, putting people on the opposite side that is the source of evil. Think about it. Once you say "person X" is a goat and not a sheep, you've now given yourself permission to treat them differently than you'd treat "another" (because you're casting yourself as one) sheep. Once you say "person X" is lost... that judgement gives yourself permission to treat them as if they are in greater need than you are when in reality your needs are equal; simply different.

People aren't treating each other as they treat themselves; as they want to be treated. Because they're forcing others to be different, forcing them to be on a different side. This distribution of people to sides is what creates conflicts and war. Do you see? It's only because we see others as different that we're afraid of them; afraid of what they might do and can therefore imagine they would eat babies. This fear is, as Yoda said, a path to the dark side. It is in making someone else the enemy that we become an enemy ourselves. And when you think in absolutes and view someone as irredeemable? That's when we ourselves become irredeemable... unforgiveable.

We project our dark side onto Satan and everyone who acts out of that part of our character we cast as evil. We stop seeking to understand them because we remove our care and empathy. We see so much darkness that we retreat by removing care and empathy to the point where we become uncaring and almost sociopathic to all accept our "chosen" few. But when everyone does this the connections between humanity is severed and we only learn to tolerate sameness which is like spiritual inbreeding. You lose the benefits of diversity; diverse thinking, perspective, ideas. And eventually you want to destroy all other views so there's no one left to tell you when you're wrong, not perfect, room to grow. The future will judge you.

Q isn’t Russian. It’s the government…lol. And yea, probably a threat to democracy. Politicians don’t want us commoners to have a say. They just want more money and power and they don’t much care how they get it or who they step on to get it.

Q isn't Russian or the government. Q is simply a narrative created by a forum admin.

Remember in Batman Begins (I think) when he talked about being a symbol/idea?

In a sense, Batman used the fear of his own symbol in order to terrify bad guys.

Q just uses fear and distrust of the government to harness power from average voters so empower a single political agenda that had nothing to do with exposing the so-called "deep state" because such a thing doesn't exist. But it existed in the narrative for the purpose of harnessing the power of the people.

The "commoners" always have a say. People who don't want you to have a say are the ones who try and convince you that you don't have one and that your vote doesn't count or that the system is too rigged against you. We all have a say. But we also all have the ability to influence others and that's what Q lied in order to do.