do I hate philosophy?

Desolous wrote: im gonna go out on a limb and say 'yes'.

in terms of modern philosophy, abso freaking lutely, lol


man, I really can't swear can I?

suliskveteba wrote: I don't have anything against using quotes

I have something against the modern use of quotes, they rehash it or just say some crap

I must admit, I use them frequently on the TOTJO Facebook Page...

Not every quote will speak to every person, but, to hit different audiences, I try to keep them changing...

And, I generally dont post the ones I dont feel I understand...

The bible is full of great quotes, but, Jedi people p[predominantly seem to not like bible quotes, at least on Facebook...

and that's great Jestor, but still not my point


most people aren't trying to connect with the audience, they are trying to sound smart, it's good, your method

but people who fit the majority I am discussing, have no idea how to connect to the audience.

I am a writer, so I am trying to understand modern audience

the thing is I think, that if you want to truly be smart, swear

people will connect with a guy who isn't afraid to drop some f**ks s**ts and D**n its

it makes them feel more human, so the audience connects with that humanity

with your quoting, you do acheive this, because you are trying to demonstrate the importance of something through a statement that agrees with your beliefs from the past

but most people aren't they are just quoting, to seem smart and that alienates the audience at times because it won't make sense

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Desolous wrote: im gonna go out on a limb and say 'yes'.

Long posts. What was the question?

Science is killing philosophy. My $.02

I disagree, philosophy can give motive and encouragement to scientists

and science can give us new revelations to study

they aren't killing each other

they are helping the other live

suliskveteba wrote: this topic has caused conflict with others because my views on philosophy can upset others, I think I would be deemed a radical of philosophy, because I believe that in modern philosophy, a number of it is plain garbage.

Modern philosophy lost the spark, philosophy had something that other academic topics didn't, this helped identify it and help it grow

but somewhere along the generations, something went wrong. The spark is there but not nearly on the level it used to be. I love philosophy, but the quotes and proverbs are about 10% to 1% of the entirity of philosophy.

what angers me is that now anybody can pull garbage out of anywhere and call it philosophy, simply because it's a quote on life.

now the questions you all have are probably " what are the 99% to 90% remainder of philosophy" the answer is simple, reaction...

how you react to philosophy is the great decider on philosophy

now let me clear something up

you can infact deem anything philosophy
I will accept that

but like any philosophy, it will be wrong at times

now you are thinking all kinds of questions and possibly feeling insulted


allow me to provide a factual explanation of philosophy

THIS IS NOT A PHILOSOPHY: this is a judgement taken from actual physical ideas and events.

now if you made it this far through my overly elegant convention I have provided you, awesome! if not, I don't blame you in fact if this wasn't such an issue, I would be like you wishing that this ass hole would shut up.



Philosophy is an idea or view on life, people and values, sometimes it will include an idea or view on ideas and views. or is it? the answer is technically no... Philosophy is the thought established by what I just described, the reaction and argument to an established convention on people, life Etc... Philosophy is what is life and people, my point is that no philosophy can "blanket" all lives and all people, my issue is that people (not people here, but it has happened) just accept philosophy, simply because some old famous guy said it so it must be true



NO NO NO that is betrayal of what philosophy is. Philosophy was a debate, an argument over ethics, morals and life. Thats what made it work, nothing was accepted at first, it was debated, a true philosopher never just presented an idea, it was a fully established front. But the philosopher of ancient times and sometimes if rarely modern, would understand that the only way this could ever been seen as true is through an argument against.

let me try to make this as simple as possible, if you really want to understand and respond to this, I think you should read the whole thing but at least read this!!!


I think people should argue anything they hear about philosophy (even this, if you think that I am wrong and would love to prove me wrong I am welcome to it)
when they don't we have fiascos that sometimes are yet to be challenged, an example would be Einstien, great scientist, but philosopher? yes and no

"insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results"

that isn't insanity, this is either stupidity or perseverance, insanity is the disconnection from reality due to emotional or psychological malfunctions.

philosophy needs to be argued, look at the ancient greeks and romans, the fathers of this wonderful way of thought, they would be appalled to see how we have treated philosophy (again, it doesn't happen here often, but I won't say it hasn't happened at all) philosophy is accepted on the basis that it sounds "wise" most new philosophies are rarely argued and just accepted.

even when the greeks knew it was right it was still argued, philosophy isn't quotes!!! it's discussion and argument, this is what I am trying to say

if you argue anything here this is it. Philosophy is an argument, to say that one philosophy defines all life is ridiculous! there will always be somebody who doesn't act, or live a live that agrees with that philosophy, all philosophies can be proven wrong, yet we accept them under names of "absolute truth" and the "ultimate answer". This is what angers me, I want people arguing again, not accepting it, it needs to be argued or it's merely pretty quotes and not philosophy by any measure.

I love all the things that are said here, many of them are beautiful, but none of it can accurately be called philosophy, by fact alone, because we accept it without argument.


its one reason I love this place, nothing I say is accepted, you always argue it and I like that, we form ideas together while maintaining the same ideas, but sometimes and I have seen it, where a post is made and people call it philosophical without argument.

Philosophy by modern example, is dying.

there are arguments, I am not saying there isn't, but this betrayal happens to often, even with my ideas.


I thank anybody who has taken the time to read this, everybody here has my respect and love.

this is just my thoughts on a sensitive topic to us all.

I won't argue anybody who asesses this as a philosophy though

suliskveteba wrote: also

I went to philosoophy course, and my god.....

all it was is people saying crap they think is wise

and everybody else gives them a clap and says "aaah" or "hmmmm"

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Glad that doesn't happen around here.

Rickie The Grey wrote:

suliskveteba wrote: also

I went to philosoophy course, and my god.....

all it was is people saying crap they think is wise

and everybody else gives them a clap and says "aaah" or "hmmmm"

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Glad that doesn't happen around here.

so am I, but I will admit

I think it showed me that yes I in fact could laugh harder than ever imagined, lol


seriously, it was so bad I was on the edge of psychotic laughter.

like not just the stupid things they said

but the reactions were hilarious, they would start murmuring amongst themselves

and I'd hear whispers like:

and thats why it's true ( it wasn't)

people never look at it that way ( because it's wrong)

I felt so touched by what they said (I felt so bored I started playing angry birds)

Learn_To_Know wrote:

Rickie The Grey wrote: Science is killing philosophy. My $.02

I like to get into a good philosphical debate, but I think there is nothing wrong with science killing philosophy. I think it's fantastic. One day, it may kill off a lot of erroneous religious beliefs too.

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Philosphy & Religion being killed by Science. OMG Is nothing sacred? Are we destined to be ruled by test tubes and people wearing lab coats?

Help me! Someone please help me. The world is going mad. :woohoo:

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Learn_To_Know wrote:

Rickie The Grey wrote: Science is killing philosophy. My $.02

I like to get into a good philosphical debate, but I think there is nothing wrong with science killing philosophy. I think it's fantastic. One day, it may kill off a lot of erroneous religious beliefs too.

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Philosphy & Religion being killed by Science. OMG Is nothing sacred? Are we destined to be ruled by test tubes and people wearing lab coats?

Help me! Someone please help me. The world is going mad. :woohoo:

why can't they work together?

the truth is they can.

catholic hospitals?
they incorporate doctrine and ideals from catholicism
with the study and advancement of science

the truth is that science and religion can in fact work together

they just need to find a common goal

suliskveteba wrote: thomas eddison tried numerous times the same method for the light bulb

not out of delusion but to see if he could get it right

that is actually something I got from here

Actually, I heard that he took notes and learned from his failures. He didn't gain success by trying the same thing over and over. He changed each try, if only slightly. If he had tried the same thing over and over then he would have just been the guy who invented the telegraph.

I think Einstein's quote still stands.