Muslim rage

Extremist muslim is a term that gets thrown around all the time in some kind of effort to section off a group of people and label them as evil. In reality this sectioning is backwards. It is not the violent muslim who has strayed from the path, it is the peaceful muslim. The Quran preaches violence. It preaches hate. It preaches everything we attribute to these extremist muslims. Islam is a hate group labeled as a religion. If this was a group of people that did not claim to be following the word of a god (or if it was a new religion) then it would be met with the resistance it is truely deserving of.

I can not even share in the restoration of faith in humanity that Desolous has in the Libyan protest against the killings. That's fine and great for that one specific incident with a death toll of 4 (if the news was correct) but what about the other 812 people that have died in the last 30 days as a result of muslim violence? That was multiple incidents, the highest death count was 27 and most were in single digits so it took me quite some time to finally add up the full number of deaths.... in the last 30 days.

Islam bothers me a lot as I've been put through many "Kill or Be Killed" situations with muslims. Regardless of what any person or any media ever tells me, I know first hand that Islam is most certainly not a religion of peace.

I'm not sure if I one hundred per cent agree with you, but you raise some very valid points. I was thinking earlier today, of course not all Muslims are bloodthirsty jihadists. But that doesn't matter, as it seems are enough are and enough are in power that those voices are silenced and in the minority most of the time. The example I was thinking was Nazi Germany (to Godwin thread a little). They weren't all Nazis either, by any means, but enough were that all those were lumped in with the Nazis anyway, and the second world war ensued.

Here, we see another one, between ideologies, not nations. Mideast versus west.

Desolous wrote: Here, we see another one, between ideologies, not nations. Mideast versus west.

I KNEW God Wants You Dead made some valid points. This is a perfect example of the things the authors of that book discuss.

Jackofalltrades wrote:

Resticon wrote: I would have to disagree with this statement for so many reasons...The Holy Crusades, Beirut, Palestine/Israel Conflict for Jerusalem, Muslim Jihad. Aside from the Holy Wars, how many times have you heard about someone who did something inconceivable because "God told them to do it". How many world wars have been fought because multiple countries believed in one thing and others believed in another? Vikings used to be the very definition of a barbarian and they did most of what they did trying to get to Valhalla. Ancient Mayans/Incans/Aztecs used to make human sacrifices for their gods. For most people, a belief is worth fighting for.

You think that violence is the product of faith?

Infact it's the product of anger and nothing else. These wars aren't faught from a difference of opinion. heh. The people who fight them are not in the least bit faithfull. It chills me to the bone to think that someone could "Faithfully" destroy a nation. *Shivers*

I believe that much of it is, yes. Going back to the Vikings, who were one of the major religions before Christianity, they believed that the only way that they would get to Valhalla was to die an honorable death in battle. So they fought every human being they met trying to get to Valhalla and it had nothing to do with anger in the slightest. Whole wars have been fought between Christians, Jews and Muslims over "Holy Land" or because of what they interpreted their holy book to be telling them to do. The Crusades were blessed by the Pope. It's warriors were Templar Knights who had taken vows and been granted absolution from any sins they could possibly commit while at war. These are just a few examples of religious armies who fought for something because their faith said it was important. For 1900 years, Christians hated and murdered Jews because of what they believed was Deicide (for killing Jesus). It wasn't until the 1960s that the Pope issued the Nostra Aetate which started modern day Christians on the path to being more tolerant of other religions.

While most wars are not fought for religious reasons, those that were have been some of the bloodiest and most violent wars ever fought. Over 17 million people in history have been killed by "Christians" for the name Jesus Christ. Most mass murders are caused by either ethnicity (hatred) and religion.

Have a look.

Promoting hatred is illegal isnt it, so I wonder was the movie promoting hatred itself, or was a belief promoting hatred against such movies!? I think this whole topic has crossed the line and we should simply apply the same standards to all people with this sort of thing, as I feel uncomfortable being threatened with violence just because someone feels personally insulted. What's next, my wife has to cover her hair because it will promote hatred from Muslims!? Unfortunately it seems like this technique to try and coerce compliance might be serving as justification for some form of escalation from threat to actualization and in which case it makes me wonder where it might stop.

Its actually amazing it doesn't happen more often!!!!!!!!!! So I think its proof that the west is sensitive to this.... in which case we are doing our part, but the Muslim communities seem to be escalating it to some sort of 'law', which they police as judge, jury and executioner.

I think Islam will have to eventually let this one slip and give it up as an issue, but it looks like they are a long way from understanding why they need to accept this (as a community, after listening to some press conferences by local Muslim leaders).

I am not sure how many here have been in any of these countries. But something you need to be aware of is that 90% of the people there do not have access to "youtube". They do not have internet access. So how could they see the video to get so upset about it? They have not seen it.

Someone or some group is creating propaganda and selling it to the masses to incite this rage. Unfortunately a lot of this is political crap that is being used to manipulate the population at the cost of lives. This is never right. I think we can all agree on this.

The attack and deaths of the Americans in Libya were well orchestrated and premeditated. Some early warning was detected and dismissed by the American government.

On both sides of these conflicts we must be careful to accept anything that the "Powers" state or the news reports as fact. A little bit of death sells stories, news and helps to propel agendas.

As someone who has been in these places, seen these things as they happen, who has faced this rage first hand, it still amazes me that this extreme behavior is not the norm and most of the followers of Islam in the region are peaceful. I have seen some amazing acts of kindness and generosity at the risk of their lives from the locals.

There is still light in these dark times.

Karn is right. Most of these places doesn't even have electricity 24 hours a day. And even if the common person was to try and have the internet I'm sure there is much censorship from the government. Not to mention that someone is always blowing up something that would disrupt any net connection. As is far too typical recently we are allowing something else to take the blame for the violence of Islam. A film. Really, I saw bits of this film and if your system of faith is so weak that it strikes such an insult to you that you feel driven to kill your fellow man, then brother, you need a different system of faith.

The heart of the matter is right in front of everybody, every newspaper, every picture. You see signs being waved that say "Death to America." That is all you need to know. They will contrive any excuse they can to justify violence because we are not like them. We have never been like them. We will never be like them. The Quran commands them to fight all non-believers.

This is the number one reason I had to get out of the military. You can not win the hearts and minds of muslims unless you are muslim. The only way to quell the violence in the middle east is to kill them all down to the very last man, woman and child. Obviously nobody wants to do such a thing.

discordor wrote: Obviously nobody wants to do such a thing.

Well trying to look forward. Since;

"Muslims don't view Muhammad as the beginner of a new religion, but the Qur'an states that Muhammad simply preached the same religion as Adem (Adam), Ibrahim (Abraham), Nuh (Noah), Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and all the other prophets, and continued the holy religion."

They have to do a 2 step adjustment in my opinion;

1. accept its currently not in its original form as taught by Muhammad.
2. extrapolate the course from Adam to Jesus as a guide to strip away the unhealthy parts of the Quran to allow the fruit to remain and the husk to be discarded.

The peaceful muslims say its a peaceful religion, so why not simply strip away the bad bits. What other options are there!?


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