Muslim rage

yes, an inflammatory subject line. i didnt know what else to title it, as that is what i wanted to talk about.

im sure you all have seen some news somewhere of the ongoing riots, demonstrations, marches and outright murders in the middle east (ME) over the past week or so. personally, i find the whole thing disgusting. so entire crowds of people, not just outlying fanatics, get so angry over a high school level film clip insulting their prophet (not even their god, allah, just the prophet) that outright violence and death is the answer.

that is never the answer. most especially if you claim to be an adherent of the 'religion of peace' (TM).

below is almost my exact thoughts on the matter, just from a fellow farker.

'y'know...here in the west, we've got our problems. unemployment. a rich 1% that's convinced it's not wealth enough until they have ALL the money. idiot leaders. religious nutbags. lots of problems. But..one thing we DID get right is that if someone posts a rude, insulting video we don't go riot in the streets over it. we'll make counter-videos. write blogs, write our congressman. we might even sue. But we don't go out and murder people just because some artistically challenged nobody chopped together a crappy video and posted it on a youtube account.

now i'm not saying Islam is primitive or violent and uncivilized...but I am saying that Islam seems to have a real problem the idea of self expression. this is a wired world - there IS no filter anymore. At any time and in any country, someone could (and probably will) say something that will offend Islam. And probably all of Christianity and Judaism as well. plus offending some pagans and hell, a few atheists just for good measure. My point here is that you are GOING to be offended. probably quite a lot and quite often. So going out and burning building and murdering people is going to tired you out. it's also not going to stop you from being offended nor will it stop people from going out and saying/doing things that offend you. So my advice to ALL of Islam is this: suck it up and get over yourselves. learn to handle opposing viewpoints and accept that you cannot control the thoughts and actions of other human beings.

there. that probably offended at least half a million muslims. TRY not to burn down anything while being offended by my comments, ok? thanks guys! glad we had this chat.'


the tl, dr version of weaver's post above is:

'So my advice to ALL of Islam is this: suck it up and get over yourselves. learn to handle opposing viewpoints and accept that you cannot control the thoughts and actions of other human beings.'

that would be cool.

It is completely ridiculous that a handful of people make a video and the whole of America is blamed for it. Some of the things going on are shameful.

When an anti-Christian film or video appears, if it highlights stereotypes of the church in an amusing way, I laugh along with it. If it seems to be derogatory and malicious, I'm not gonna waste my time getting annoyed about it, so I turn it off. By the next day I'd probably have forgotten all about it.

It really is very difficult to live life as a member of society if you let your anger at one person spiral into a hatred of anyone and everyone who you perceive to be remotely connected with that person.

V-Tog wrote: It really is very difficult to live life as a member of society if you let your anger at one person spiral into a hatred of anyone and everyone who you perceive to be remotely connected with that person.

These protesters should learn to be mindful of their emotions. Anger and hate are the path to the dark side; it would be a shame if these new Islamic activists fell into darkness as so many other extremists have before them.

I feel like we should be able to do something about all the rage going on, though "what", I do not know.

Also, I haven't read much of the Q'uran. So I wouldn't consider myself an expert. But it is without doubt the most accesible book on diplomacy. The recent attacks and the attitiude of certain fundamentalists seems to be the diametrical oposite of the diplomacy that is taught in the Q'uran that I can imagine...

see, thats just it: the book may be chock full of the wisdom of the ancients, but it seems that the people who claim to follow it have not cracked it open. this was not done by fanatics. this was concerted attacks in a number of countries by groups in the hundreds. 20 guys flying planes into buildings, thats fanatics. 2000 guys rioting in the streets, breaching an embassy and killing the ambassador is not.

so i dont care too much what is in the book. it could be written in martian, and the impact is the same: they arent following it.

They're not doing themselves any favours with the way they've reacted. If they keep reacting they way they have done then they're just going to make even more people think that Muslims are angry fanatic terrorist.

If these mobs keep acting up, I can see something big and bad happening. Keep retaliating to some idiot(s) mocking their religion and eventually they'll be on the receiving end of retaliation themselves.

To be honest I don't believe any of this is really about that video anyway.

Desolous wrote: see, thats just it: the book may be chock full of the wisdom of the ancients, but it seems that the people who claim to follow it have not cracked it open. this was not done by fanatics. this was concerted attacks in a number of countries by groups in the hundreds. 20 guys flying planes into buildings, thats fanatics. 2000 guys rioting in the streets, breaching an embassy and killing the ambassador is not.

so i dont care too much what is in the book. it could be written in martian, and the impact is the same: they arent following it.

This is what I fear Desolous. There is no sense in the finatics attacks, much less under the banner of Islam. I think it possible that these people are simply calling themselves muslim so that they can stop people learning and practising the wisdom and diplomacy that a true muslim would.

With respect to the famous phrase "Kill the infidels" (this means unbelivers, right?) I would be inclined to agree with such a phrase on one level. Unbelivers are far more capable of barbaric acts than belivers, becuase if you belive in nothing, then why not do it? There are army's with rows and rows of unbelivers in this world. And what with the extreems of poltics deciding our every decision... there doesn't seem to be much hope of changing anything...

I find if its not about religion then its somewhere along the lines linked to money in some way few people believe in love anymore but if you look hard enough then you CAN find it. Musilms are an easy scapegoat for a lot of the worlds problems. finding a scapegoat is easy find a lasting peace on earth, now, THAT is difficult.

thefiercehadou wrote: I find if its not about religion then its somewhere along the lines linked to money in some way few people believe in love anymore but if you look hard enough then you CAN find it. Musilms are an easy scapegoat for a lot of the worlds problems. finding a scapegoat is easy find a lasting peace on earth, now, THAT is difficult.

Searching for love is the very thing that stops you from finding it.