Jedi temple, Or Battle zone

Chicken & eggs are both quite good and the answer to the question is not found in causality, but in evolutionary embryonics ... The chicken & the egg came at the same time, though we probably wouldn't have recognised either.

As for the real subject matter, I'll refrain from the erstwhile opinion diatribe, yet reclaim that as Jedi, we are to be skilled negotiators, even & especially in the domain of rhetoric : negotiation of meaning and persuasion.

I van also assure that the UK education system came before D&D (otherwise my discourse would sound much like Akkarin's) ...

Cheers to all from slightly off-world

A/Orion

Jackofalltrades wrote: Once we are less concerned about rou own views they are challenged alot less.

That's in the same area as my point regarding tolerance. I will happily be friends with everyone here at the Temple despite the fact that I think their views might be completely wrong on some things

I honestly don't really mind but if we're talking about a subject then I'm of course going to talk about a subject and express my views

All of us here can happily get a long with each other despite differences of opinion on some topics

The trick is not to let differences of opinion bother us. That will break us apart as a community

The important thing to remember is that you can be friends with people you have different views with. I do it all the time!

Alexandre Orion wrote: I van also assure that the UK education system came before D&D (otherwise my discourse would sound much like Akkarin's) ...

Cheers to all from slightly off-world

A/Orion

Which proves it is based on Fact! It came after the UK educational system so we can only asume that it is not contradictory to it!

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Jackofalltrades wrote: And the point I'M trying to maake is that respecting others views (and not being concerned doesn't can't be impinged from outside. In both ways, in fact it ALL ways, it is our responsibily... no-one can do it for us. Once we are less concerned about rou own views they are challenged alot less.

All my views are challenged so I guess Im not there yet!

THis was a point I too had trouble with....

All of what I say doesnt matter...

So, I try to seldom comment, as do the other senior members, it is noticeable in the fact we seldom post in these minor opinion related posts...

Shortly after becoming Council, I had my views challenged, and all I was doing is debating such as Akkarin...

In my signature, you will now find a disclaimer that states I know Im may not be right, but I will continue to post, and discuss until I am satisfied with the end.. lol...

There was some "Battle" at that time...

But, the important thing, is to remember as Akkarin said... We can be friends and disagree...

im at work and wont be able to be on here long, but felt it necessary to throw a few cents in, as i am quite certain this pertains to me as well, as master akkarin said.

i agree with him. this is NOTHING compared to some places i hang out, either on the net or in person. case in point: saturday at a party at my ex wife's house, some guy i barely know came up and grabbed my junk. i am not the least bit homophobic, but the act was so sudden and shocking (as well as hard) that the next thing i know he is 10 feet across the room and bleeding from his mouth. just an automatic reaction.

im probably the first one to reach him, and help him get up and start apologizing profusely. i didnt even know i had done it til after the fact.

tho actions like that are rare for me (either what i did or the instigation), my point is 10 min later we were sitting by the pool drinking beer. already forgotten on both sides.

so people get heated, as master jestor said. its a fact of life. its when that heat gets white hot, uncontrollable but controls YOU that it is a problem.

never hold a grudge. whats the point? realize the majesty and futility of even wise comments on some message board online. you'll live, so will the other person. no big deal.

Argueing(spelled right?) is what a forum is for, more or less.

I just think it's a shame good and usefull comments and perspectives get burried under stances which are mentioned repeatedly during these arguments.

Plus the extra time is costs me to read trough al of it!



PS:

Desolous wrote: next thing i know he is 10 feet across the room

Did he still have your junk in his hand at that moment? :ohmy: :silly:

no, thank allah.

We all have to lose the "self"...

That is what gets it's feelings hurt, or feels the need to be right...

"We" includes myself... lol...

A bit of argumentative banter is good, as long as someone doesn't take it too far and start getting personal. If everyone sat on the fence and was nicey nicey all the time, things would get stale and boring.

UK Education can be linked back to 1870 when William Edward Forster founded the Elementary Education Act. Boarding schools were created and partially funded by the State to supply primary education to children.
Dungeons and Dragons was first published in 1974.

The evolution of birds began in the Jurassic era. Birds evolved from a reptilian Theropoda dinosaur, which were born from eggs. There for the egg came first because the Chicken had not yet evolved.

This comes back to the emotion argument, and I tend to fall in the camp which tries to control all emotion for a better relationship to higher states of feeling, rather then accepting that some emotions are good. So I get annoyed when people include insults into debating, its injecting the emotion of anger to highlite the authors frustration. Its like talking in upper caps. I go to other forums to have brawls about topics when I feel unJedi like, politics is a good one for that!!! I do not expect it here so it feels like someone cheating if they do it because I try not to do it back. I understand though that some Jedi use emotion when they consider it positive.

Its not a chicken without an egg, but I'd guess perhaps chickens could be born without the egg and survive if the hen was switched about not to crush it..... so perhaps there were once chickens who laid embryonic sacks and they instinctively didn't squish them, but its easy to see they would have a much harder time living through colder periods such as ice ages thus becoming extinct. So I'd say the chicken came before the egg and the egg was an evolutionary adaptation for colder climates. Could be impossible to prove though if it were right.