Magnetic Pole Reversals

I think its established there is a metaphysical usage of the word spirituality and a non-metaphysical usage of the word spirituality. I think its clear I was using the metaphysical one by mentioning things such as 'doorway to the spirit world', and it seems you are using the non-metaphysical usage of personal individual experience soooo, yea your right no buzz for the people at 0 BC - but not what I was saying. In the metaphysical usage, if such a thing were true, it would rate as one of the highest possible metaphysical spiritual events (as I've said repeatidly, if you believe in it).

I think you misunderstand "metaphysics". But I'll go with what you seem to think. My point is that, a "major metaphysical spiritual event" as you put it hardly seems major if no-one is realizing it's occurring. Something is major when it has an impact on things. And the way you put it, specifically regarding magnetic field of the earth, is that this spiritual event leads to the weakening of what makes life possible on this planet. Sounds like Jesus is son of the devil to me.

ren wrote: I think you misunderstand "metaphysics". But I'll go with what you seem to think. My point is that, a "major metaphysical spiritual event" as you put it hardly seems major if no-one is realizing it's occurring. Something is major when it has an impact on things. And the way you put it, specifically regarding magnetic field of the earth, is that this spiritual event leads to the weakening of what makes life possible on this planet. Sounds like Jesus is son of the devil to me.

Should I use the term supernatural instead, as "opening a door to the spirit world" seemed pretty clear to me.... and as I said Christianity is the largest religion on the planet and since we have members here who are Christian I thought it relevant. I think your starting to reach now ren, and calling Jesus the son of the devil is probably inappropriate.

you ask to correlate the earth's magnetic field with the arrival of jesus:

1) Jesus arrives. Amgnetic field is strong
2) jesus dies and christianity grows, magnetic field weakens

Therefore, i put it to you that the impact of the birth of Jesus christ on the magnetic field is negative. therefore If jesus causes the earth's magnetic field to collapse overtime, eventually damaging life on this planet, Jesus's purpose was evil. I associate evil with the devil, though you're right, I think in christian myth god eliminates all life forms from earth (through a great flood)? So maybe Jesus' reason to be was evil, but he was still son of god. I apologize for jumping to conclusions. All of this supernatural christian stuff is not my domain. I only try to apply logic to it. Obviously I stand by my previous statement that Jesus had no impact on the magnetic field whatsoever, I'm only trying to see things from your Point of View.

Adder wrote: 'd disagree on the non-metaphysical usage of spirituality, because we have iron in our blood so I wouldn't be so quick to rule out therapeutic usage of magnets and electromagnetism. For the metaphysical usage of the word spirituality, we do not know, and that is why I posted it because if some members were Christian they might have found it interesting and looked further into it.

Assuming that is true... (I remain unconvinced)

Why would the levels of 'spirituality' in other humans determine whether or not a God would create his only son? Who had no significant spiritual importance for a few hundred years after he died?

Adder wrote: They were talking about measuring the strength of the Earth's magnetic field over human history as evidenced by clay pots, there is a distinct peak at around the time of Christ's birth!!

The point I was making about Wang Mang is that you chose to find some correlation between magnetism and spirituality rather than to make a hypothesis and decide, based on predictions, whether or not that theory had any merit

Me saying that Wang Mang was the reason is just as absurd a statistical and unscientific statement as what you said

Akkarin wrote: Akkarin wrote:
Also magnetism is actually just gravity and anti-gravity particles;

That was a joke, sorry if I didn't make it explicit enough

Adder wrote: I wasnt making a scientific hypothesis

Adder wrote: It's made me really wonder whether such a peak in natural forces could have played a role in any sort of peak of human spiritual experience.

Adder wrote: we have iron in our blood so I wouldn't be so quick to rule out therapeutic usage of magnets and electromagnetism

Those questions are scientific observations/queries

I'm simply wondering if you have any reason to suggest that they're true

You're making the claim that the significance might be more than just simple coincidence

I'm merely wondering why you think that

ren wrote: I'm only trying to see things from your Point of View.

You logic might have used my post as a starting point, but your logic is not my point of view. Its importantly not the only possible conclusions which can be drawn from the idea and I don't think its the most logically sound analysis either.

What makes your logic assert Jesus might have had anything to do with the manipulation of the magnetic fields to begin with? Its an important question because its this point you use to anchor your blame for its results onto him. It would be equally as valid to postulate that someone else had, was, or was about to arrive and Jesus was sent to guide humanity in the face of an external point of evil. Since we have multiple equal strength paths of logic to follow you haven't given a reason why you chose to think my point of view equates to Jesus being the son of the devil.

The only way I can think to answer why you would pick such a particular path of logic is if you took a position contrary to Christian theology (God have a sort of detached omnipotence) deliberatly to take advantage of the connection between the magnetic peak Jesus birth, with some destruction of the planet a few billions years away, for the drama of it!? If I am right I hope your not trying to backpeddle from a cheap shot, or perhaps your atheism has given you a bit of built in bias perhaps!?

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A more interesting and logically strong intepretation would be that once a reversal occurs and the fields start to strengthen again then at its next peak we might see more high level spirituality, and if you believe in Christianity the return of Christ!

If you were using my point of view you'd notice I said perhaps the increased magnetic field opened a doorway to the spirit world. Go back and read the original, note that it I'm not trying to push Christian dogma here and claim detached omnipotence, but if I was then I'd have to wonder why such omnipotence would need to go through so much trouble to cause evil or need to adjust the magnetic field to allow a physical incarnation as you decided to interpret it. Geee now I sound argumentative
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Thank gawd that pic was for a laugh, I feared you believed it literally. Who am I to say its not true though when no-one knows how this stuff really works yet, but gravity does seem to be separate from magnetism and thats why they are each fundamental forces.

Akkarin wrote: I'm simply wondering if you have any reason to suggest that they're true

Nah I dont suggest they are true mate, its all just being curious looking for patterns. The curve is a projection of data points anyway so it might not be exactly at 0BC, even though it does appear to look that way in the video.

Akkarin wrote: You're making the claim that the significance might be more than just simple coincidence

I'm merely wondering why you think that

Goes back to the fundamental nature of the forces involved with magnetism. If it had been the global peak of atmospheric temperatures I would have thought significantly less of it, but once talking about fundamental forces..... then I feel like something so structural to how things work might have wider influences on other forces known or unknown, and extending potential significance beyond just the coincidence - at least enough to making me wonder.

MidiChlorians found? Maybe not but coincidentally I was just reading about Pigeon's and how scientists have now discovered less by discovering more;

Experts at Vienna's Institute of Molecular Pathology said they had overturned claims that the birds' feat is due to iron-rich nerve cells in the beak that are sensitive to Earth's magnetic field.

"The mystery of how animals detect magnetic fields has just got more mysterious."

Mr Keays' team used 3D scanners to search for the cells and sliced pigeon beaks into 250,000 wafer-thin slivers for analysis.

They found the particles credited with the pigeon's homing skills were actually white blood cells which protected the birds from infection and had no connection to the brain.

Other theories suggest the birds also get a navigational fix from sunlight or from landmarks.

It could raise the interesting point about how magnetism interacts with the living creature....

Mr Keays said magnetoreceptors were so hard to find because they were so small, probably about 20 to 40 nanometres, and "could be anywhere in the pigeon".

"Trying to find a magnetoreceptor is not like trying to find a needle in a haystack, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack of needles."

Finding it would not only solve a stubborn puzzle but may also have a medical use, he added.

"If we can learn how nature detects magnetic fields, we can use that information to create artificial magnetoreceptors that might have some applications in the treatment of disease", particularly of the brain.

"I suspect I will spend the rest of my life trying to work it out and it won't be long enough," the 36-year-old geneticist sighed.

Midi-chlorians anyone, or magnochlorians perhaps!!!??
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I should like to point out that if there is a connection between electromagnetism and spirituality you have only been thinking about one side

Electromagnetism, increased leading possibly to an increase in spirituality

Have you considered that spirituality might actually be the one that is influencing electromagnetism?

The latter is probably less likely, but I don't think it's been mentioned

I should point out I don't currently accept either to be true

I'm just making the observation that currently the discussion seems to be based solely on the former point

Akkarin wrote: I should like to point out that if there is a connection between electromagnetism and spirituality you have only been thinking about one side

Electromagnetism, increased leading possibly to an increase in spirituality

Have you considered that spirituality might actually be the one that is influencing electromagnetism?

The latter is probably less likely, but I don't think it's been mentioned

I should point out I don't currently accept either to be true

I'm just making the observation that currently the discussion seems to be based solely on the former point

Dunno, the magnetic field has reversed a few times in history and the peak is probably just the midpoint between the reversals.

EDIT: I posted this late, and didnt give it enough thought. There was nothing in the video that indicated the midpoint as the average cycle length was 200,000 years, I'd need more data to support my original response so its wrong. The cycle looks way to random, especially since its been over 700,000 years since the last reversal.

What makes your logic assert Jesus might have had anything to do with the manipulation of the magnetic fields to begin with?

You assume the increase in metaphysical spiritual events (Jesus' birth) was somehow caused by a peak in the reacorded earth magnetic field's strength. When you make assumptions like this,you also must accept that the "metaphysical spiritual event" had an impact on the magnetic field, not just the other way around. Ignoring that would be hypocritical. Considering that you disagree the two (spirituality and magnetic field) are unrelated, I assumed you'd look at it from an objective POV, not only the convenient-to-christians one. But forget it.