Something for you to have a think about :)

Zev Bastra wrote: I happen to agree with Tai. There will always be the exception to the rule...and to be fare, despite most of the exceptions you guys have thrown out there, add them all together and they still make a tiny minority of the worlds population. Those that commit suicide, and I mean this in the mist respectful way possible cannot be said to be in a correct state of mind. As for those who risk their life for others and indeed suicide bombers, the only difference is they are less concerned over the survival of their own life than the survival of an ideal..be it religiously or morally based.

I would not necessarily define primal and something everyone has...rather something that people have that responds without though. Even those who are suicidal or terrorists would pull their hands away from a hot water tap unless they made the choice to ignore their primal urge. I suppose therein lies the evolution...humans can choose to forgo their primal urges...be it for whatever reason. A lion will mot risk its life for a member of another pride...yet a human will. A tiger will not intentionally put itself in danger to prove a point, a human will. This shows an evolution of thought. Early cavemen...I would imagine would not self harm. The idea that we do not evolve...frankly is laughable. Just my opinion.

Thanks Zev never knew you were a member of the site. haha nice for you to drop in lol

But the definition of "primal instinct" is that there is no exception - at all.. otherwise it's not a primal instinct at all. That is by definition, not by opinion. I understand that opinion is largely what is being given here, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Again, I believe in adaptation as opposed to evolution. Here's why:

ev·o·lu·tion
   [ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-]

Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

That definition is the reason why I don't believe humans "evolve".

ad·ap·ta·tion
   [ad-uhp-tey-shuhn]
1.
the act of adapting.
2.
the state of being adapted; adjustment.
3.
something produced by adapting: an adaptation of a play for television.
4.
Biology .
a.
any alteration in the structure or function of an organism or any of its parts that results from natural selection and by which the organism becomes better fitted to survive and multiply in its environment.
b.
a form or structure modified to fit a changed environment.
c.
the ability of a species to survive in a particular ecological niche, especially because of alterations of form or behavior brought about through natural selection.
5.
Physiology . the decrease in response of sensory receptor organs, as those of vision, touch, temperature, olfaction, audition, and pain, to changed, constantly applied, environmental conditions.


That's my reasoning behind all of that.

The idea that we do not evolve...frankly is laughable. Just my opinion.

Sure, this is all opinion.....

We do evolve, to survive and adapt, but, we have the power to override that "primal instinct", if we want it bad enough....

Personally, I have never "evolved" and doubt I ever will.
Adapt, always.

Anyway, this is becoming slightly boring to me as it is now a discussion of words and definitions. I have a dictionary.. I don't want to discuss it. I also don't think people should be offended or offensive about a topic that clearly has no real answer. Scientists still have no answers.. none of us will.

Jestor wrote:

The idea that we do not evolve...frankly is laughable. Just my opinion.

Sure, this is all opinion.....

We do evolve, to survive and adapt, but, we have the power to override that "primal instinct", if we want it bad enough....

Control it yes, change it no.

taida94 wrote:

Jestor wrote:

The idea that we do not evolve...frankly is laughable. Just my opinion.

Sure, this is all opinion.....

We do evolve, to survive and adapt, but, we have the power to override that "primal instinct", if we want it bad enough....

Control it yes, change it no.

Maybe....

As science cannot yet prove anything beyond death.... We will find out when we get there.....

Aww, Reliah... Its all good...

That's all most discussions are, I think, trying to agree on a definition.....

I hope no one thinks I was being offensive...I certainly did not intend to be.

It was stated that I beleieve all humans have primal instincts..Without exception..just that some people choose to ignore them. And obviously no one here will have seen an evolution as I would imagine that no on here would be over 1000 years old? Yes science has its weaknesses...but it has least given us more evidence than religion...and that's talking about all religions. I'm actually more patient with religion now than I used to be...but still, some people ask a lot don't they? Lol

At the end of the day, humans have desires, urges that are not understood. These are primal. The desire to be loved...why do people seek it out? To be happy? Then why do people want to be happy? Surely an urge that has no meaning than something someone 'wants' would be classified ad being primal? I think sometimes we...myself included...spend so much time looking at 'hidden meanings' and 'deeper beliefs' that we miss the basic facts.

haha
No seriously, I get bored way too easily with things.
It was fun at the beginning and I learned a lot - mostly I learned that there isn't much to learn about this particular subject. I'm just ready for whatever's next! Bring it on