Something for you to have a think about :)

in·stinct/ˈinstiNGkt/
Noun:
An innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli: "predatory instincts".
A natural or intuitive way of acting or thinking: "rely on your instincts".

Im not looking to argue...

But you are saying evolution is an instinct?

Although I do have a habit of irritating people...

taida wrote: "Every living thing on this earth has to evolve in order to survive. Those very same primal survival concepts apply to many things in life. Take the business world, for example. Businesses that are not flexible and do not evolve and grow eventually get left behind and dissipate. The same thing happens to the amphibian that needs oxygen, but doesn't evolve some way to receive it from it's watery surroundings or develop legs to hoist itself out of the water and onto land to breath it."

But you are saying it is still a choice.... Evolution, that is....

If I choose to not evolve, then I choose to die....

Whether we admit it or not we always evolve as humans. It is in our nature.

The part in my last reply was a quote (the part in quotation marks), Not my words.

We can try to stop evolving however like I said we are always changing therefore always evolving.

Pokemon go ( sorry had to)

I have more questions along Akkarin's line of thinking..

I read that a primal instinct must hold true for the whole of the species. I'll post links, if needed, but I'm sure you can find that on your own. I can think of nothing - and I tried for hours last night to - that is true to that because:

1. Suicide
2. Flogging
3. Celibacy

The only thing I could think of was suffering, but there again.. we have self mutilation. I can honestly think of no human "primal instincts" at all. Individual instincts, sure, but not to be confused with reflex or urge. Breathing, blinking, sleeping, eating - those fall under the category of reflexes or urges.. not instincts... at least, based on what I read.

I mentioned before how scientists are trying to prove that humans actually have no primal instincts because of the definition of the word.

I'm still thinking though! I want to figure something out lol

Reliah wrote: I have more questions along Akkarin's line of thinking..

I read that a primal instinct must hold true for the whole of the species. I'll post links, if needed, but I'm sure you can find that on your own. I can think of nothing - and I tried for hours last night to - that is true to that because:

1. Suicide
2. Flogging
3. Celibacy

The only thing I could think of was suffering, but there again.. we have self mutilation. I can honestly think of no human "primal instincts" at all. Individual instincts, sure, but not to be confused with reflex or urge. Breathing, blinking, sleeping, eating - those fall under the category of reflexes or urges.. not instincts... at least, based on what I read.

I mentioned before how scientists are trying to prove that humans actually have no primal instincts because of the definition of the word.

I'm still thinking though! I want to figure something out lol

Evolution and survival are personally what I believe are human primal instincts.

taida94 wrote: Whether we admit it or not we always evolve as humans. It is in our nature.

The part in my last reply was a quote (the part in quotation marks), Not my words.

We can try to stop evolving however like I said we are always changing therefore always evolving.

Pokemon go ( sorry had to)

As I said in my last post, Im not attacking, but I cant aim my posts at replys I agree with!! lol...

Im going to stop replying at this point so I dont make you, uh, upset, or think I am just trolling....

I disagree with your statement... And, until your case, or my case, can be proven, the discussion we are having is not changing my mind...

I will continue to read however....

I know it was a quote, I saw the quotation marks... But, Im sure you were using them as to summarize what you were thinking, and showing it as an agreement with your statements, (otherwise, why quote?) but, as they are not facts, I still dispute them...

If, i give credit in your theory, it is that, if I stop to evolve intentionally, then I die... And thereby evolve to the next plane of existence... As that has yet to be proven, I cant really state that for a fact either...

Have a good day!!


ps. I see you responded to Reliah before I posted, so Ill add this....

I see now you are expressing opinion, which, of course, can never be wrong...

And you are definitely right in that regard...

I believe in adaptation, not evolution, but yet again (and again and again...) that's a matter of word perception and really doesn't matter
I don't think we have to do anything at all to adapt - it just happens, or it doesn't. We live or we die. Thoughts on that? I'd love to hear them.

Survival then.. what about people who are self sacrificing to the highest degree? What about suicide? People who risk their lives for that of a stranger? I really don't think people fear death - they fear suffering and pain. I think *most* people would do everything they could to alleviate their suffering and pain, but yet again, it brings me back to self mutilation.

This is one of those topics that the more I understand it.. the less I understand it.

But what is death? Is death the end? Maybe death is the first step to true survival.

taida94 wrote: We all seek survival whether you claim to or not survival in humans is always and always will be there in everyone.

How about suicide bombers? They don't seek survival...

Survival is not the single most important motivator for everyone I don't see how you can say it is therefore a base instinct

taida94 wrote: But what is death? Is death the end? Maybe death is the first step to true survival.

Perhaps... I personally happen to agree and think that 'death' is not death at all, but that's another topic

But what about the non-religiously motivated who commit murder and then shoot themselves?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Northumbria_Police_manhunt

If you can find an example of a base primal instinct and there isn't an example where it can be refuted I'll accept it as true

I should mention that if you attempt to say 'Well not all humans have this base instinct' then it isn't a human primal instinct and if you just say 'Well they're the exception' are you saying that they aren't human? Because they obviously don't have that which makes us human

Akkarin wrote:

taida94 wrote: We all seek survival whether you claim to or not survival in humans is always and always will be there in everyone.

How about suicide bombers? They don't seek survival...

Survival is not the single most important motivator for everyone I don't see how you can say it is therefore a base instinct

taida94 wrote: But what is death? Is death the end? Maybe death is the first step to true survival.

Perhaps... I personally happen to agree and think that 'death' is not death at all, but that's another topic

But what about the non-religiously motivated who commit murder and then shoot themselves?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Northumbria_Police_manhunt

If you can find an example of a base primal instinct and there isn't an example where it can be refuted I'll accept it as true

I should mention that if you attempt to say 'Well not all humans have this base instinct' then it isn't a human primal instinct and if you just say 'Well they're the exception' are you saying that they aren't human? Because they obviously don't have that which makes us human

Point one - Suicide bombers. I feel that is survival of their race, their beliefs.

Point two - I believe life and death is to be one with the force. Maybe not to other and yes it is an interesting point that should be looked into.

I happen to agree with Tai. There will always be the exception to the rule...and to be fare, despite most of the exceptions you guys have thrown out there, add them all together and they still make a tiny minority of the worlds population. Those that commit suicide, and I mean this in the mist respectful way possible cannot be said to be in a correct state of mind. As for those who risk their life for others and indeed suicide bombers, the only difference is they are less concerned over the survival of their own life than the survival of an ideal..be it religiously or morally based.

I would not necessarily define primal and something everyone has...rather something that people have that responds without though. Even those who are suicidal or terrorists would pull their hands away from a hot water tap unless they made the choice to ignore their primal urge. I suppose therein lies the evolution...humans can choose to forgo their primal urges...be it for whatever reason. A lion will mot risk its life for a member of another pride...yet a human will. A tiger will not intentionally put itself in danger to prove a point, a human will. This shows an evolution of thought. Early cavemen...I would imagine would not self harm. The idea that we do not evolve...frankly is laughable. Just my opinion.