Important Beliefs of Jediism

Ren, Tiamat is a senior member and has earned much respect. She also outranks you, so remember that she can pull rank on you at any time. Wanting to change things is fine, but methods of disrespect only make this a more difficult place to be.

ren wrote:

What matters is what YOU are comfortable with

What do you know about that? What are these things that I am comfortable with you seem to know so much about?

Those that resist this change become more distant and irrelevant.

Surely you realize that you are distant and irrelevant then. Following ancient mostly forgotten rites, clinging to totjo when clearly CoJ is the way forward... In fact, why bother with ways that find their roots so long ago so far away when you could just convert to christianity or Islam and be just like everyone else...

Just to clarify, I wasn't targeting you personally, Ren, but the post was directed at anyone. It's my personal opinion that one of the greatest goals in life is to be happy - with who you are, what you are doing, what you believe in, etc. I don't see the point in making yourself miserable by following a faith that you disagree with - it's obvious that you don't agree with our form of Jediism so why persist with it? By bemoaning lost days you're just perpetuating a cycle of despair. But then again, that's your right - do what you want and believe what you want. Just don't be surprised if others disagree with you. Which is their right too.

MTFBWY

OK OK - im not giving orders im n ot pulling rank - impolitely asking folks to sit back, chill out etc

Ren has his ideas (which frankly i dont agree with at all - especially the crap about starwars being the bibkle of jediism to to speak)

CoJ have their ideas (even if they are scientology rebranded)

TOTJO has its own ideas - I too have mine

RESPECT however is free as too are manners - and this is soley aimed at Ren - I will not sit back back and let you assault/insult ANY of our members, be they a Grand Master or a guest. Consider yourself formerly warned now - friendly like but warned.

The Emperor (other members) is not as forgiving as I - as your so keen on Starwars

So to reiterate - if you dont like the way we (TOTJO) do things - thats your problem - TOTJO aint gonna change to suit your needs anytime soon.

I feel you have ben doing your utmost to provoke our members and we've had enough - you really dont have to saty here if you really find our ways so offensive and for the record, you are well known to us as someone who causes hassle - weve been more than tolerant and hospitable thus far but there comes a time when the party pooper gotta leave.

I didnt want to have to do this in public but youve forced my hand (excuse pun folks)

IF you want to worship yoda and follow the movies - there are other places for that - because if you have not guessed by now - TOTJO is NOT about that.

Tiamat should realize her mistake and take it like a big girl. She acted like Mark's doggie and then some other guy shows up acting like hers...

But of course Tiamat/highpriestess/gothsomething01/jedi/$realname could make use of whatever power she has at her disposition to do whatever it is she feels like doing. It'd be at least a bit more Jedi of her.

Now, please, will you all let Mark answer for himself? He made a reply to my post, I made a reply to his, I'd like to see if He/Mark/Colourful-avatar-guy's got anything to say. Can't you let a meaningful conversation follow its course without having to inject meaningless barking in-between? This sure hasn't changed in 10 years.

damn. That'll teach me to type things and leave them there for hours without pressing reply.

Thank you Mark for clarifying your stance.


Ren has his ideas (which frankly i dont agree with at all - especially the crap about starwars being the bibkle of jediism to to speak) You don't know my ideas. You know ONE of my ideas: that Jediism should go back to its former glory.

The Emperor (other members) is not as forgiving as I - as your so keen on Starwars

Actually I don't like Star Wars that much. I hate the plot holes, lack of precision, typical myth and a couple of other things. These problems led to what jediism is today... And I'm not happy about it.

So to reiterate - if you dont like the way we (TOTJO) do things - thats your problem - TOTJO aint gonna change to suit your needs anytime soon.

Actually my presence here is merely an assessment, as it was at the beginning of the year. I recently appreciated someone's actions. I thought I'd give some input. Offered to help on some things if I deemed totjo worthy.

IF you want to worship yoda and follow the movies - there are other places for that - because if you have not guessed by now - TOTJO is NOT about that.

And you dare say I'm the one who insults others...

ren wrote:

I recently appreciated someone's actions. I thought I'd give some input. Offered to help on some things if I deemed totjo worthy.

So now your testing us to see if TOTJO is WORTHY of you ?

I wont dignify that.

ren wrote:

And you dare say I'm the one who insults others...

Im giving back what youve been dishing out on multiple occasions.

Ive cut you some slack because I know English is not your primary language but you seem to have a good enough grasp of the language to hurl insults and innuendo's around and to take other peoples responses personally.

I could ream of a long list of people I KNOW youve insulted - all of them highly valued members.

You want the Jediism of old - great - but your rapidly turning new comers to the faith away. If you want 'the old ways' how about starting up your own group?

It really and honestly is that simple.

Just quit the flaming or don't post anything.

Ren Wrote:

Can't you let a meaningful conversation follow its course without having to inject meaningless barking in-between?

Can't you let a meaningful conversation follow it's course without hurling insults at everyone? There's a difference between being witty/funny and being rude, and you need to learn that at TOTJO, we RESPECT eachother.

One of the things that makes TOTJO what it is is the combination of different opinions and beliefs and cultures. If you can't respect some people will interject, or argue, or say something that you don't agree with, then maybe TOTJO is not the place for you. But if you're having a public conversation in the public forum then I and everyone else here has every right to post as you do.

ren wrote:

Now, please, will you all let Mark answer for himself? He made a reply to my post, I made a reply to his, I'd like to see if He/Mark/Colourful-avatar-guy's got anything to say. Can't you let a meaningful conversation follow its course without having to inject meaningless barking in-between? This sure hasn't changed in 10 years.

As far as I can see, your only reply was \"Thank you Mark for clarifying your stance\". All the other things you said in your post were in response to GM Kana's words. I have no issue with discussing anything as long as its done civilly and with respect for the other people here who might read it.

If you need help with creating your own \"colourful avatar\", I'd be happy to point you in the right direction.

MTFBWY

So now your testing us to see if TOTJO is WORTHY of you ?



I wont dignify that.

Not asking you to.

You are insignificant to me. you can claim to be whatever you want... throw titles around if you wish. I was having a normal conversation. then you show up, attack my points in incomprehensible ways, dare claim that YOUR Jediism is not Star Wars related, not a RPG --uh, look at your avatar--, claim that you \"don't give a toss\" (if you don't, then why post?), and then, when I make dry remarks to Mark without being insulting, when I say that people don't respect anything anymore, you and your friends show up with the insulting stuff, including what seemed to be a threat (something about being careful not to piss-off soldiers?).

Ive not claimed to be anything - in fact you have insinuated you arte somehow better than the members of totjo because your 'old school'

You are not the only person here who is/was following jediism or whatever you wish to call it way before the internet was born.

And what has my choice of avatar got to do with anything?

so just cos i happen to enjoy the game means i can t have a bit of fun and use a particular pic as an avatar?

So if I MUST use starwars avatars etc - which book or episode did the chipmunks in my sig appear? Yes im being ridiculous with that - but no more than you.

Once again you are creating another argument for the sake of arguing - very 'Jedi' like i must say.

It is you who started the remarks not me - just agree to disagree and move on - ive much bigger issue to deal with than you.

I am not the only one who is rather tired of your remarks Ren and dont say you have not been given fair warning.

Oh and the reason I 'SHOWED UP' is because as the temple security officer - I received numerous complaints about you and your posts.