Important Beliefs of Jediism

Again, I cannot express how much importance there is in a Master to Apprentice relationship. Some preliminary manuals would be great, and again, being a trained Jedi, you should be able to make them yourself. But most training should come from a Master, not a book or a video.

Thanks for the suggestion Angelus, We'll look in to that and hopefully implement it! Although it is necessary to point out we already suggest members join the 'Jedi School', which I know already runs a similar course to that which you are explaining.

Reading is of course important, but I agree - there are certain things people will understand easier being taught on a one-to-one basis. This is already offered at our existing Chapters, however we should look in to ways to build this same relationship online using tools such as Skype.

Thanks for the suggestion Angelus.

MTFBWY.

baralfobre wrote:
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You seem concerened about the Income tax and Paypal charges. We have not been charged for any donations we make, only for those we receive. We make up for these charges when donating. For example if someone donates $100, the (call it, for discussion's sake) $10 that Paypal charges will come out of our own pockets to ensure over all $100 is donated to the charities.

Our application to become recognised as a charity with HMRC will officially make us tax-exempt and so this will clear up the concerns you express.

Upon completion of our new training course, we'll send you a couple of copies.

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MTFBWY

1. Then the money you use to make up for the PayPal charges is yet more money that could go to the causes instead of to PayPal.

2. What organization is applying with HMRC to be recognized as a small charity? You understand, dear, that the proposed charity's organisational document must state its charitable purpose(s) and that no profits may be distributed to members, trustees or directors FIRST, THEN you apply with that document containing the charitable statements and clauses to HMRC. We know that Church of Jediism Ltd / cyf cannot possibly qualify in its present form. Are you dissolving that and doing it over the right way or are you applying with the Church of Jediism Members Association organizational document? If neither, how are you going about this? I know what your intended purposes are, but those are so standard and simple (to promote religion and promote awareness of charities and charitable giving) that an application for that should not take over ten business days to be approved by HMRC. Yes I know that UK and US law is different and I am talking about UK law.

3. So our request for copies of the current book #2 and #3 is denied?

This is all putting the horse before the cart since you should first actually train and become a Jedi. I'm sure you can quote Yoda. He's clearly modeled on the classic Zen Master. But can you tell me anything about real Zen?

You're welcome to join and train at no cost then once you've become a real Jedi and a real Jedi Knight you'll know what's necessary and won't have to ask.

Not wishing to state the obvious or to harp on about the 1 topic - but WHY do YOU pay the paypal cut at all?

Screw the middleman and give the money to the charity - if your willing to use your own cash for the sake of the charity - why the hell should paypal benefit in anyway what-so-ever?

As well intentioned as your actions are - they do not benefit the most needy party.

Think of this scenario - you see a person money in the street with one of those collection tins - you approach and as you put £10 in - the collector then says 'thats another £1 pound please for my time n energy'

I would sure tell them where to get off

anyway - what you do with your money is your business but it seems rather wasteful from the charities point of view.

If you still insist on paying a middleman whilst donating to charity - yoiu may as well just buy a heap of national lottery tickets each week - hell, you may even win

Just my thought - but someone who has worked for a charity - i know how disappointed they are when a middleman gets a chunk of a donation.

John, we are fully aware of the steps we need to take to register as a charity. Thanks for your help, though. Our method has taken so long due to a few complications as well as the fact postal services in the UK have pretty much ground to a halt as a result of the snow. It's not so bad in London, but up in the rural areas of North Wales, it's a lot worse.

In answer to your third question, I never said that.

Kana, we pay for the Paypal cut as someone has to and of course it is vital the full amount donated gets to the charity/charities.

Now, instead of criticising the Church of Jediism and our way of business, can we please turn back to the original topic, abiding by forum rules and helping us with the question - is there anything y'all specifically would like to see included in the new books?

I agree with Br.John.

If you were a trained Jedi you would know what to put in your manuals. How fair is it that one should be charged for a training manual being sold to them by someone who hasn't been trained themselves? To be honest, I doubt you'll be getting any help with your manuals from us for the time being.

We already know what to put in our manuals, we were simply inquiring as there are many problems/disagreements people here have pointed out with what we are teaching, so we thought that by submitting a message asking what you all suggest we put in the new training course, you'd all have lots to say and lots of suggestions to ensure you agree with what we are teaching.

I was clearly mistaken.

See it from my point of view:

Several people here have, on numerous occasions, pointed out 'mistakes' or disagreements in what we are teaching our members. So, the one time we come to TOTJO asking if anyone has anything they would like to see in the new training course, I would've thought you'd all have lots to say - instead, I have yet to see a single suggestion of what to include content-wise.

Sorry if I sound annoyed, I'm not, I'm just slightly confused.

MTFBWY.

According to TOTJO, \"Temple Of The Jedi Order does not recognize this group as a Jediism organization\". Therefore, we have no suggestions for you, because in my eyes, and evidentley TOTJO's, you're not a Jedi.

Again, I doubt that you'll be getting any help from us as, according to TOTJO, you and your \"Church\" are not recognized by us.

No, I am not a Jedi. Jedi are fictional characters from the Star Wars films, a trademarked word to LucasFIlm LTD.

I just find it funny that when we do come round to change our training course so that it agree with you guys, 'guys' being those who disagree with our teachings, y'all have nothing to say other than the fact it currently costs.

At the COJ, we do not discriminate. We do not single out specific organisations and label them - rhetorical question: you tell me what is more Jediist like.

Once again, I thank you all for your contributions, but we do seem to be straying off topic with each post.

MTFBWY

I am a Jedi. And I am not a fictional character from the Star Wars universe. We are a religion, and an organization, and we are legally recognized as such. If you are not a Jedi, then what are you, and who are you to make training manuals in the name of Jediism?

Frankly, the reason you're not getting any help is because you're asking Jedi to help you with a Jediism training manual even though you're not a Jedi.