The Daniel Morgan Jones Challenge

Not being funny to you sammy - but 'they' know EXACTLY what to do to rectify the situation for the benefit off all

NOT LEAST THEMSELVES

Posting lies/threats about us (TOTJO) on other sites will only get them buried deeper in the hole they created for themselves - if you are unsure what im talking about - i will send you the link.

As to your questions

Am I a fool for talking with Daniel and Baral?

OK - no one is judging anyone based on their associations - who you choose to talk to or otherwise is upto you - the only thing i can say on this question is that only you can make this decision - what I will say is we have ALL been taken in by someone or something at some point and we learn from these mistakes (or at least I hope we do )

If youve been made a fool of as a result of having a good heart - then I wouldnt call it a sin or crime

Is it the Jeid way to find peace where there is havoc?

Maybe - but havoc cant always be cured with peace - think of it like a burning oil well - sometimes you need a big dose of dynamite to deal with it.

It is the Jedi way to try and find a peaceful resolution that is to the satisfaction of all - I will say BrJohn has been 'helpful' to mr jones and co on several occasions, John has pointed out theior mistakes (assuming these were not intentionally misleading etc) and even told him how to fix them. What more can he and thus TOTJO do than this?

Is it the Jedi way to offer a setlement to conflict?

Yes - see above - sometimes though its take conflict of one kind to deal with conflict of another - it isnt always the ideal solution, the trick is knowing when its time to fight fire with fire.

I believe in the Jedi way.

We all do - and i mean we as in the whole Jediist community - which is why WE must fight this debarkle with tooth n claw

At the end of the day, we are all simply mere humans

I honestly believe you know in your own heart the answer to these questions already but sharing sometimes helps.

MTFBWY - A

\"What more can he and thus TOTJO do than this?\"

I'll tell you what more you can do than this.. you can stop insulting us, you can stop talking about us like we're idiots, you can actually *listen* to what it is we're saying and you can do your best to be impartial and see both sides of the argument, rather than these biased opinions.

We have before stepped out and \"Agreed to disagree\" as they say. We thought things were going well, until recently when TOTJO suddenly popped up in our inbox and these disagreements started again.

Can we not just forget about this whole situation and finally for once establish peace amongst this community?

May the Force be with you all.

Can I also ask.. is it really Jediist-like to take these actions and make these accusations? I personally cannot see in any way how the accusations made against us and the way we are spoken to - both the manner and the tone used could be seen as Jediist-like. Of all people, I would've thought the founder and director of the TotJO would be more Jediist than any other member of the community? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see anything. At all.

MTFBWY.

You are not part of this community... and never were.

I pointed this out to someone recently: The Jedi way also involves providing your enemies with a quick, humane death.


The beginning for Jediism was hard. Going about our business telling people we were Jedi... wasn't an easy thing. But it was getting better. Then your organization showed up and ruined it for us.

Bows in due respect too Ren for doing what I am unable to do

Thank you Ren and MTFBWY - A

Gentlemen, I ask that you put your snow balls down and stop throwing them in each others direction. Now it is my believe that as Br John has sent documentation reguarding Daniels' Church, (company)to the authorities all has been investigated.

If it turns out that Daniel is fraudulent then he will be dealt with. Though if he isn't fraudulent then he will continue as he has, to build his church.

Both members of The Temple and Daniels church have advised me to be mindful of whom I lisen to. In short your both saying that I shouldn't speak to either church or members of said churches. As I told Daniel last night there is one person who masters' me and that is my Husband.

It is not,I believe the jedi way, to pass judgement on anyone.I was told by Daniel last night that he and baral, are drawn to me because I speak from the heart. That if I believe they're wrong about something, I will say so.

I have asked both Daniel and Baral to step back and allow this unfortunate set of events to unfold as they should. They have been contacted by the authorites to say complaints have been made against them and they are being investigated.

Now I ask that we all just take a seat and see what happens.

They've already been contacted about the investigation? That's fast.

Everything that's needed to be done is already in motion so there is no point in further discussion.

I am not going to respond to anything from Baral Forbe any more since dealing with an anonymous person is ridiculous and I don't know why I've bothered so far.

In the beginning it was to give good free advice to save them from a lot of grief but that did not work out.

Now I feel mostly pity and even a little sympathy.

It's no mystery man, they're history man and there's no use beating a dead dog.

Jones is welcome to actually train and earn a religious degree here and become a real Jedi.

The big job ahead for us is to get the UK to realize what Jediism really is and have it protected under the law instead of it being an exception. That exception was caused by Jones & Company. Had he been with us instead of just copying a few posts and sermons from the site and then declaring himself a Jedi this would not have happened.

But the milk that's spilled is sour and tomorrow is another day.

It may take some time and a lot of doing but we'll get there and you shall see Jediism accepted in the UK. You'll see the day that our ministers can conduct marriages there just like ministers and priests of many other faiths do now.

I know my energy is devoted to that.

Reading your post Br John I felt a sense of calm, which I haven't felt over this matter for weeks.

I can breath at a steady pace now.

I really do hope that jedisum will be excepted within the UK.

What needs to be remembered is that the UK is a diffeeent animal to the USA and needs 'training' in a different manner.

Im not saying it needs to be done by stealth as such - but what does need to be done is for UK Jedi to do what they do and not cause any bad feelings or smells whilst they do it.

This also means NO NEGATIVE PUBLICITY or anything that will be taken as ammusing by our so lovely press who can and do turn a baptism into a drunken orgy to sell a few more copies.

Thar cnecus thing was done in jest much as the Australian one - however, in Australia, Jediism is now acce[ted bt they are diffeent from the UK - they are not a Monarchy state and they are jnot governed by the Church of England.

It is for this reason it may well take a lot longer for Jediism to be accepted here in the way it deserves but it will happen one day.

The UK is a much older country than USA and sadly in many way, stuck in its ways and habits - change is uncomfortable for the state here - they like thjings just the way they are and have been.

If more people had the balls to say they are Jediist and not be ashamed or embarrised about it - it would be accepted much much faster - all the various 'publicity stunts' (thats the only thing I can think of calling them) that have hit the press, especially pootube have done A LOT in taking our common UK goal many many yards back from the touch line.

There are ways and means of doing everything in life - some are more efficient than others.

There is no such thing as bad publicity is generally true - but not always and the type of publicity Jediism is geting currently is harmful, if you read the so called obiturary to SteveF on one site - it does nothing but mock - even though Master Steve conducted a full Jediist Marriage.

Time to knuckle down and focus on the same thing people - but do it in a way that suits everyone - Jediist or otherwise.

Be what you are but do it peacefully

MTFBWY - A

Britain is in this respect no different to the other european countries. Religion still has a big say in politics, working and social life. This has to be protected. Yes europe is a place of established institution but it does have the benefit of preventing any tom dick or harry starting their religion.