Oneness with the Force

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15 Nov 2017 14:32 #306106 by Manu
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https://youtu.be/UFatVn1hP3o

The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward

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15 Nov 2017 14:55 - 15 Nov 2017 14:56 #306107 by Carlos.Martinez3
This is a classical example of the hypothetical conflict . The living non living . The inatamite response.
It's cute but it's not real. I'm real life these types of conflicts don't exist. These type of metaphors are for "other" conflicts, the old saying, we use the word "like" to only resemble or allow us to be able to comprehend things in a way we can. Honestly, I'm not even sure what all those feelings are like. Some may , and that's ok. Obviously some one does or not would be.
One nesss with the Force can be so many difrent things to a many difrent people.
Sitting under a tree .
Sitting in the snow .
Sitting by a river .
Sitting in the river .
Doing the exact opposite of the current situation can be as well for some.
Even doing contradictory to all sanity can probly be some one else's idea of one ness in some cases . Thanks for the song and dance and the thought provoking idea! May the Force be with you as you seek it .

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15 Nov 2017 15:09 #306108 by
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I wouldn't view it as Oneness with the Force, but rather not being content with the moment. Looking forward to the beauty of summer when trapped in the majesty of winter.

This can either be chalked up to him not being content with his current state of being, wanting to move to a better place in his life (his "summer") because all he's known is winter and is ready for the next great step in his life.

Or he's just not content with what he's been given. How does one know what summer is when all one knows is winter? Instead of trying to find the silver lining to winter, he looks forward to when winter ends. Its like someone looking forward to when their problems will end, rather than trying to find peace in the midst of their problems.

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15 Nov 2017 16:16 #306110 by
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Like Arisaig, I see this as an example of focusing on the future rather than the Now, or focusing on a wish rather than what IS. While it is fun to dream about the possibilities of what may come and escaping our suffering, this only adds to our current suffering. Dreaming of Summer only serves to highlight the negative aspects of winter, but winter is the reality and should be accepted for what it is, good and bad. People who focus too much on what they want rather than what they already have tend to live pretty unfulfilled lives.

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15 Nov 2017 21:19 #306122 by
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In some circles, winter and summer are the physical and spiritual realms respectively. His ignorance of what happens to his being when he changes seasons. Is like ours of our transition from life to afterlife.

Hmm.. to be One with the Force in this situation could mean knowing the change but understanding that the (water) of your being is still (water)..

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15 Nov 2017 23:08 #306125 by Adder
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Exercising the creative phase of imagination seems vital, to my growth in my experience. Having ideals as guides to develop is not delusion IMO, and I'd say it is more accurately rather expanding ones conceptual capabilities. I'd say it's only delusion when it becomes believed..... whether that manifests as anxiety about unrealistic expectations of self or frustration about expectations over others. That is just another form of abuse of it and not representative of proper use of it.

The benefit of expanding conceptual powers not only translates to being more creative and imaginative, but also seems to allow a greater scope of engagement in contemplative focus on the past and meditative practices on the present now.

And I think its at the point when you can engineer your perception of reality to various extents that your perception can improve your experience of reality - rather then being dependent on the natured and nurtured common approach of meeting the loudest biological or psychological drama currently being presented by the subconscious..... so, I'd go as far as to say that it's the very point of "your focus determines your reality".

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16 Nov 2017 02:17 #306138 by Manu
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Loving the responses so far :laugh:

Arisaig wrote: Or he's just not content with what he's been given. How does one know what summer is when all one knows is winter? Instead of trying to find the silver lining to winter, he looks forward to when winter ends. Its like someone looking forward to when their problems will end, rather than trying to find peace in the midst of their problems.


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Senan wrote: ... focusing on a wish rather than what IS. While it is fun to dream about the possibilities of what may come and escaping our suffering, this only adds to our current suffering. Dreaming of Summer only serves to highlight the negative aspects of winter, but winter is the reality and should be accepted for what it is, good and bad.


I've very much been in this situation myself, dreaming of summer as a way of escaping de angst of winter. And with it, I've missed out on its magnificence.

Jaedon Adar-Barnaby wrote: Hmm.. to be One with the Force in this situation could mean knowing the change but understanding that the (water) of your being is still (water)..


But do we step into that cold night (err... hot beach) blissfully, like a cow to the slaughterhouse? Do we invite death? Or do we simply acknowledge it and accept our finite nature?

Senan wrote: People who focus too much on what they want rather than what they already have tend to live pretty unfulfilled lives.


How do you measure "too much"? I can understand what you mean, but I can also see it going the other direction, people being so greatful for what they have that their inner monologues are focused on dettaching from ever doing more.

Adder wrote: And I think its at the point when you can engineer your perception of reality to various extents that your perception can improve your experience of reality - rather then being dependent on the natured and nurtured common approach of meeting the loudest biological or psychological drama currently being presented by the subconscious..... so, I'd go as far as to say that it's the very point of "your focus determines your reality".


Does this mean our best chance of being able to appreciate winter is if we risk experiencing summer in order to widen our scope?

The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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16 Nov 2017 03:04 #306140 by Adder
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Manu wrote:

Adder wrote: And I think its at the point when you can engineer your perception of reality to various extents that your perception can improve your experience of reality - rather then being dependent on the natured and nurtured common approach of meeting the loudest biological or psychological drama currently being presented by the subconscious..... so, I'd go as far as to say that it's the very point of "your focus determines your reality".


Does this mean our best chance of being able to appreciate winter is if we risk experiencing summer in order to widen our scope?


It can yes, experiencing things in unusual (or at least different) states of existence can 'broaden our horizons' so to speak, about the way we relate to, and understand things.... but my point was more specific to imagination exerted onto reality, to achieve some more refined process of perception of it. Sort of, to avoid relying on historically convenient labels or methods ie unrefined habits, and to instead seek the hidden potentials of it, and interpret its existence in a more productive way. I think that is what the video represents. But, like being too caught up in the past can be a bad thing, being too caught up in imagination can be a bad thing, and so instead to me its about finding the most effective ways to use those things as references to empower ones existence in the now, rather then escape it.

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