Is The Force truly have dark and a light?

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26 Oct 2017 13:58 #304827 by
Of late I have been finding myself more on the mindset of the Jedi group called Potentium.

So, in my opinion, is there a Dark and Light side? Is there a middle ground?

In my eyes, no. Not even a middle ground. One cannot walk between two sides that do not exist.

Through Potentium's philosophy, there is the Force. The ability to do good or bad with it is within you. Think of the Force like a rifle. You can use it for the greater good (hunting to feed people, protecting people, ect) or you can use that exact same tool for evil (we all know, don't need to say it). So one must moderate themselves to ensure they don't fall to either extreme.

Ashla, the light side, if veered to strongly towards will view Bogan, the dark side, and monstrous. Bogan, if veered to strongly towards, will view Ashla as too restrictive. It is up to the Jedi using the Force to ensure they don't throw the system out of balance. Like the Yin Yang, there must always be a bit of each "side" in the other, and no matter how dark or light one becomes, there is always the speck within themselves, that potential, to do good or evil.

That is the view of Potentium.

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26 Oct 2017 14:23 #304828 by Carlos.Martinez3
Things happen. There's a big long explanation some where but the best I have found for my path is rain and wind blow, and I'll never know why and when exactly . We can explain it till we are blue in the face but when it's time , it will rain and when it rains , we won't know if the wind will come with it.
The Force gets "blamed " for a lot of our own opinions and our own sides and definitions. Our definition of light and dark can often be a reflection of our path and our own perspective. The words good or bad come from the same idea as light and dark , for me . By doing this and noticing these type of things in my path it Kinna frees me from a lot of argument attitudes and common conflicts. To me and my path it's about me and how I act. I blame no one or nothing for the good or bad so if... IF I do perceive something as good , it came from ... me , same as ... bad, if inpercieve something as bad then it came from me. I have long since stopped " evaluation of everything" too much and it gave me wrinkles and made me grouchy and frustrated a lot . It may sound pompous but I turned to my direct path , not saying I ignore things , nope , but I can directly influence my own and those around me. That's all I'm really " expected" to do if you really think about , so the "definition" get Finely tuned. What and how is to you always! What is dark in your path? What is light in your path, these two questions are for every one themselfs every Jedi . It's my path to support that because you choose this. So my encouragment is find your light and dark or , don't call it light or dark, call it your path and the trip it takes you. Or... come up with your own ideas or ways to discriibe them. Either way is there a light or dark? My personal path nope. It rains on the just and un just the same. I get wet if I'm light dark great blue or dry when it rains... what and how you react ... that's the big idea! Force be with you on your seek friend! We need more hearts like yours brother !

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26 Oct 2017 14:47 - 26 Oct 2017 14:51 #304832 by
The closest I can come to naming the Force is existence. It is simply the world and ourselves. The physical nature of reality. That being said our actions are not the Force. They can certainly benefit the Force, thus benefiting ourselves. They can also hurt ourselves.
Our actions are the one freedom we have. The one choice we have in our infinite now. We can build and edify. Or, alternatively, we can tear ourselves down. Tear down our world. Tear down the Force. Because our actions are born from our thoughts we have the ability to work against the greater good and to work against ourselves. We can learn to be selfish or hateful. We are not born this way.
So no, I do not believe the Force has any concept of good or evil. We birthed those with the freedom of our thoughts. Those are concepts to depict the cohesion and intent of our actions with the rest of ourselves.
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26 Oct 2017 15:37 - 26 Oct 2017 15:41 #304834 by Cyan Sarden
They way I see things, the Force isn’t personal. It’s not „intelligent“ it doesn’t „create“ anything. It’s causality in a complex system, made up by countless sub-systems that are all governed by causality. Everything that happens in the system influences everything else in the system, prompts a reaction through causality / the Force. Through countless cycles of action and reaction everything in the universe has emerged, including ourselves. Let’s not overestimate our ability to influence the overall system. We might be able to or doomed to constantly influence the sub-systems around us and, of course, as a consequence also the entire super-system we call the universe. But only minimally so. Our actions may have huge consequences for us, but beyond he sub-systems in which we act, not much is caused by us.

Have we created hate? Our actions prompt reactions and the system is stretched and rebounds, heals itself and is governed through the Force. Hate, love, all of our interactions are consequences of cause and effect, evolved over eons.

How do we end hate? How do we end bad things happening to us? Which of course may have been caused by ourselves - reactions to our actions aren’t always predictable by us and might bite us in our own behinds at a seemingly random time and without ourselves realizing the underlying causes. So how do we end reactions? We can’t. But we can minimize them by treading lightly. By avoiding to cause large ripples in the system. By being mindful of our actions. We can’t end hate as we are part of a system that never allows individual constituents to damage it - so all we can do is live decently within it.

Do not look for happiness outside yourself. The awakened seek happiness inside.
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26 Oct 2017 21:54 - 26 Oct 2017 21:54 #304870 by

Arisaig wrote:
So, in my opinion, is there a Dark and Light side? Is there a middle ground?
In my eyes, no. Not even a middle ground. One cannot walk between two sides that do not exist...

It is up to the Jedi using the Force to ensure they don't throw the system out of balance. Like the Yin Yang, there must always be a bit of each "side" in the other, and no matter how dark or light one becomes, there is always the speck within themselves, that potential, to do good or evil.


Do the sides exist or don't they exist? Because these two statements seem contradictory?
Is it just as important to commit acts of evil as acts of good in order to have this system balance?
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26 Oct 2017 22:00 - 26 Oct 2017 22:15 #304871 by

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Arisaig wrote:
So, in my opinion, is there a Dark and Light side? Is there a middle ground?
In my eyes, no. Not even a middle ground. One cannot walk between two sides that do not exist...

It is up to the Jedi using the Force to ensure they don't throw the system out of balance. Like the Yin Yang, there must always be a bit of each "side" in the other, and no matter how dark or light one becomes, there is always the speck within themselves, that potential, to do good or evil.


Do the sides exist or don't they exist? Because these two statements seem contradictory?
Is it just as important to commit acts of evil as acts of good in order to have this system balance?


Potentium philosophy states that there is no light or dark, but light and dark exists instead in the user instead. That the Force does not have a sentience, but is in need of balance within the user themselves.

It's not to say that the user should commit acts of evil, but instead be open to the potential that sometimes you will need to do dark things instead of shying away from it. The Jedi, at least cinematic Jedi, were taught to avoid fear, but yet in the same breath they were taught to fear the Dark Side. It becomes restrictive. Instead, the user balances within themselves, allowing for the potential either way, but not leaning too heavily on either side of the balance.

EDIT: In fact, to go back to that "Force is like a Rifle" thing, just because you have a rifle doesn't mean you need to do anything with it. You dont have to hunt or save anyone. And you don't have to do evil with it. But having it allows for the potential to do both, it's up to you to ensure you are responsible, but be open to the potential that you may have to do what you may consider "evil" with it (eg. kill an intruder).

I hope that explains it well enough. ;P
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27 Oct 2017 04:55 #304878 by
Honestly, there is no death. There only really is The Force. If The Force is light, the universe is like a glass container. Not only are colors created, so is a shadow. Death is a shadow. Evil is a shadow. The shadow of giving life is taking life. The shadow of Love is Hate, of generosity is greed. So on and so forth..

When one dies he doesn't stop existing. His energy just enters the greater flow of The Spirit and its subsequent layers.. I do believe in a "2nd death" though. If the Dark Side could be equated with the "outer darkness", seperate from "God", where Nothing(noun) exists. Becoming nothing, nearly non-existent, is a true death..

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27 Oct 2017 05:29 #304880 by
This guy has a really had an interesting video on The Force and Balance of light and dark. It's close to the potentium theory..

https://youtu.be/yQQosTTfgEo

My take is is that The Force Is, Darkness Is but Is Not.. It isn't The Force. It just exists relative to The Light..

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28 Oct 2017 23:19 #304974 by Eleven
I see a lot of thoughts and opinions and I am grateful for anyone who took time to respond. One question that stood out the most to me was, "Why does it have to have a purpose?"

Do I have a purpose? Yes, I am a husband, a grocery manager, a Jedi I have a purpose in this life and we all do in one way or another. Do I believe The Force is a god or goddess? No. Do I always think that it has a meaning behind everything in the universe to the tiniest detail? I don't know that's a very vast question...

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