Is The Force truly have dark and a light?

I have been paying attention alot lately about certain subjects and it got me thinking. Is The Force really the cause of Hate in the universe? Is the Force the cause of what we as people could consider "Evil" in our world? Did the Force have some sort of influence on say for example WWII and Adolf Hitler? Or, was it simply just our humanity? And The Force had nothing to do with it at all? Perhaps The Force is neither? Dark nor Light?

As Jedi, we believe The Force to have a balance of the two a Ying and a Yang if you will. But, then I begun to wonder to myself then what about certain events that aren't necessarily either? For example my grandmother died of Cancer in 2006 but, my friends grandmother had the same cancer and lived and still is alive today...to me that seems unfair and well evil. I hope this is making sense. I wonder to myself this and was wondering if anyone had an opinion. Thoughts?

Honestly, I believe The Force is living, intelligent spiritual light. I feel the names we use to describe this light have mislead us. I wouldn't call the feminine power dark. Only the softer, passive manifestation of light. Where the masculine power is the intense, active manifestation. Both the Unifying(Father) and the Living(Mother) Force are light. Not as being seperate but as a succession of emanation. First, activity of creation. Then the resting of it in its different formations.. Like how the body is formed for a soul to dwell in when finished..


Darkness is the absence of that light. The emptiness, the hollow world of space and time. Chaos and its shadow. Where nothing truly exists until the light comes in and sets order to things..

When positive came into a negative space. Duality, good and evil, was an instantaneous results. Division, of all things. For every power of life the was a corresponding power of death. You can see this illustrated in the "Sephiroth and Qlippoth" system of Kabbalah. Which they term the "tree of life" but looks like the "tree of Knowledge".

I don't believe The Force created evil. It caused it indirectly by this kind of mingling of life and death. There are things that are definitely evil..

To kill another sentient being out of anger or hatred, not defense, is wrong. Murder is evil.. Taking what doesn't belong to you is evil. Dishonoring The Force by disrespecting the creation it lives in is evil.. to testify falsely against a fellow person is evil..

Okay but, if that is the case that The Force didn't create Evil then, why did he make Death? what is the Purpose? Reincarnation? The lack of a better word "Retry" for that Sentient being to do better next time and get it right? Perhaps this question has too many avenues...

Does everything need a purpose? Darkness is the absence of light. We use light and it is an awesome thing to have. But what of the darkness? Without light it doesn't exist. Life and death are no different. Death highlights life and we appreciate life in part because we know it is temporary. But that is our assigned meaning to it. Death can still exists without a purpose.

Good and evil on the other hand are reliant on perspective in my mind. If it rains and destroys my crops and I starve to death. Is that evil? What if it saved someone from a drought? It could be justified either way depending on who you ask.

To me, the "Force" is a word I can use to describe the big important thing (that may or may not be a myriad of different gods, a symbol, or a perfectly rational field of connective energy) that is infinitely beyond my comprehension and ability to define with words such as "good" and "evil."
Furthermore, knowledge of good and evil is often subjective to society. Basic human rights, such as gender equality and religious identity, vary from culture to culture. What is "good" in Western Europe may be "Evil" in sub-Saharan Africa. I really don't want to see good and evil as a subjective whim of human perception, but it is often less concrete than we would like to believe.

That being said, my view of of good and evil was heavily influenced by JRR Tolkien. Nothing in Tolkien's world is ever created evil. Nothing is born bad. A thing becomes evil through corruption. A thing becomes "evil" by lacking connection to "good". In other words, evil is not a thing but a lack of something else. How does this relate to the force? Maybe the force is this great field of benevolent energy. Evil, then, isn't created by some malevolent dark side, but rather a simple lack of connection to the force. If one sees force as harmony, then evil is disharmony. I still don't believe evil can be a "thing" - but it reminds us to keep ourselves in balance. Never let your emotions get too far ahead of rationality, and vice versa. Each of us has our own individual understanding of the force. If the force is objectively good or evil, humanity will never know because we can only experience the subjective.

Martin Luther King Jr. and Adolf Hitler were both amazing public speakers. One man was a public hero, the other was an infamous villain. Is public speaking evil? Some banking establishments rob millions from destitute victims. NGO's and charities improve lives with money investments across the world.. Is money evil? This is true of the force. The light and dark sides are not defined by the force, but by the people using it. Meaning lies in our actions.

I'd say the Force in its most numerously dense manifestation would appear as the action of consumption (of resources), but I think that is not the essence of the Force, just what happens within a gravity well when it gets all stuffed together around a single point. Living is consuming, what is good or bad consumption is open to interpretation, but what might be evil or compassionate consumption would depend on the ethics or morals held. But no I don't mean the Force exists to consume, and I'm not sure any potential will of the Force would be understood by our minds anyway - we are not that important on the larger scale (probably), but really important to things close to us and near our own scale.

So yes, I think the Force would be influenced by gravity, or at least that what I call the Living Force. I do use the term of the Unifying Force also - to denote that part of the Force which interfaces with but extends outside of the domain of gravity. So they sit together as aspects of the same single thing, the Force. I don't consider those aspects as associated with light or dark generally speaking, but it does happen with some types of meditative contemplation and ritual (more later).

I do not associate gender or sex to either light nor dark (nor Yin and Yang for that matter). And I'd put compassion and evil as higher order behaviours well outside of the scope of any direct function of the Force. Of course good and bad are purely subjective terms and so having no relevance to discussioning somethings essence or purpose beyond indicators of their morals, AFAIK.

So then that light and dark for me, they seem best representative of directions (of a sub entity or process in the larger entity or process), in terms of activity (change through time). Most easily explained as constructive or deconstructive, but of course with all change comes a redefinition of the parameters being used to define change... so its easy to throw the terms at each other and justify all manner of incarnations of them.

I love hearing other peoples ideas!!! I hope mine makes some sense and of course is just my own opinion!!

Edit: note the distinction between unifying and living for me is not as trivial as it might seem, and gravity 'as a concept' actually predominates working with the unifying force for me.

Sven One wrote: I have been paying attention alot lately about certain subjects and it got me thinking. Is The Force really the cause of Hate in the universe? Is the Force the cause of what we as people could consider "Evil" in our world? Did the Force have some sort of influence on say for example WWII and Adolf Hitler? Or, was it simply just our humanity? And The Force had nothing to do with it at all? Perhaps The Force is neither? Dark nor Light?

No, I do not think it causes hate in the world - we do. If the Force is based in the thought paradigm of Taoism, objective 'good' and 'evil' do not truly exist. There is no world of ethereal ideals parallel to the reality you and I experience...only reality as it appears before us. This is why harmony and balance remain so centric to Taoist and consequently Jedi thought. If there is no such thing as an absolute, the only metric we have to go by is how something relates to everything around it - hence balance and harmony. Those who hold with Taoist and Jedi thinking might see WWII and its horrors as a sort of imbalance that was in the process of becoming attuned into a more harmonious state. Be careful, though...stasis and harmony are not the same things. In the Taoist philosophy, reality is constantly in flux and flow as the ever-presence of existence creates and destroys itself. Our personal 'Tao' or 'Way' is in sensing and making meaning of the interconnections between us and everything around us. Alone, we are nothing...it is only by comparison to all things around us are our identities made known. So I submit that 'Good' and 'Evil' are concepts which do not apply to Jedi philosophy - as interpreted through Taoist thinking. Other models exist which DO hold with 'Good' and 'Evil' forms.

Sven One wrote: As Jedi, we believe The Force to have a balance of the two a Ying and a Yang if you will. But, then I begun to wonder to myself then what about certain events that aren't necessarily either? For example my grandmother died of Cancer in 2006 but, my friends grandmother had the same cancer and lived and still is alive today...to me that seems unfair and well evil. I hope this is making sense. I wonder to myself this and was wondering if anyone had an opinion. Thoughts?

'Evil' implies some kind of malevolent intent. I do not think sentient intent to harm exists in the case of cancer.

Sven One wrote: I have been paying attention alot lately about certain subjects and it got me thinking. Is The Force really the cause of Hate in the universe? Is the Force the cause of what we as people could consider "Evil" in our world? Did the Force have some sort of influence on say for example WWII and Adolf Hitler?

Yes, I believe that "The Force" had/has an influence and part to play in all aspects of life. Including the darkness...

Or, was it simply just our humanity?

Yes, This is also a factor in life. As all the choices we make are our own. It is simply that the force is apart of who and what we are....including our choices.

And The Force had nothing to do with it at all? Perhaps The Force is neither? Dark nor Light?

Yes, The force is neither light or dark.....But that doesn't mean it had no part to play.

As Jedi, we believe The Force to have a balance of the two a Ying and a Yang if you will.

Mmm....Not all Jedi i don't. The force dosn't have a will any more than the ocean does. The ocean dosn't determine how much water it has in one place vs another....it simply.....does.

But, then I begun to wonder to myself then what about certain events that aren't necessarily either? For example my grandmother died of Cancer in 2006 but, my friends grandmother had the same cancer and lived and still is alive today...to me that seems unfair and well evil.

That is the thing about life. It is not fair. It would be niave to think that it is. But we shouldn't blame the force or anyone for events we can't control. I am sorry to hear about your grandmother...i lost my grandmother and can empathize with such loss. It is tough...But when it is time to go...all we can do is trust and embrace the good things they have taught us in life.....and will continue to teach you on the other side, wherever that may be

I hope this is making sense. I wonder to myself this and was wondering if anyone had an opinion. Thoughts?

I believe that "The Force" is in all living things. It moves and flows like the ocean....an ocean of pure eternal energy. It does not have a consciousness....it does not pick and choose and think about how to influence others....It is simply a raw construct that is all around us....As beings of life we tap into this energy naturally....and can tap into it more with our own conscious actions and choices

There is no light

There is no dark

There is no "Balance"

Except for the Light, Dark and Balance you make in your own choices. Sometimes you will do dark things....sometimes you will do very light things....Sometimes you may find yourself drifting in the middle. But these are all due to YOUR choice, thought and actions.

Just my thoughts!!

Sven One wrote: Is The Force really the cause of Hate in the universe?... Or, was it simply just our humanity?

Does your Force not include humanity?